Member Jesse Smooth Posted July 8, 2009 Member Share Posted July 8, 2009 Never bought into Pierce as 007, he was better in THE THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR. The weak, derivative scripts didn't help him either. Well, Pierce was offered the role during his Remington Steele days, but I think the studios wouldn't let him out of his contract. Imagine if he was Bond then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member dionbrother Posted July 8, 2009 Member Share Posted July 8, 2009 Considering ACES GO PLACES 3 was the highest grossing Hong Kong movie of its time (although Eric Tsang will dispute that the first Aces sold more tickets), it was extremely successful hackwork. And yes, Tsui has/had a coke problem, and notice Van Damme had to hit rehab after working with him. I'm not saying Moore was better, as he's my least favorite Bond after Brosnan, but people have rewritten history as if Moore's Bonds weren't liked. Just not true if you were there in the 70s and early 80s. And I thought Dalton was a great Bond, but he deserved the kind of reboot Craig got with CASINO ROYALE. He was working with the same creative team that did the Moore movies, and his movies were nothing like Moore's. And Bond shouldn't wear a Members Only jacket. LIVING DAYLIGHTS is good, but clearly written for Brosnan, and LICENCE is great until the last 20 minutes with a letdown confrontation with Sanchez, and Felix Leiter cheerily forgetting his wife's murder while flirting with a nurse. While it flopped in the US, LICENCE became one of the most popular Bonds on home video where it got a second chance and it plays better on the small screen for some reason. Maybe because it feels like an elaborate episode of WISEGUY. After seeing THE SNIPER, I say let Dante Lam have a shot at the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member massa_yoda Posted July 8, 2009 Member Share Posted July 8, 2009 The Connery films have aged better, particularly the Terence Young movies. The Dalton movies were a relief after too much camp from Moore's tenure, but haven't aged well. Ha! You must be joking. Here's a snippet from "Goldfinger": Bond is relaxing in the beginning of the film with a beautiful woman giving him a rubdown. Felix, or some agent, comes up to Bond needing to talk to him about something. Bond tries to get the girl to leave. She asks, "Why?". He responds, "Man talk." and spanks her away. Man talk?! I'd like to see someone get away with that today! I don't think these films have aged well, but there are a couple exceptions and great moments in every film. I saw "Thunderball" the other day and it actually was pretty good for 1965. I think the Dalton films come out pretty well today. And those Semi stunts in the finale of "License to Kill"? Great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member dionbrother Posted July 8, 2009 Member Share Posted July 8, 2009 Outside of Berkely, Madison and New York, that scene isn't outdated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Considering ACES GO PLACES 3 was the highest grossing Hong Kong movie of its time, it was extremely successful hackwork. Yes, but box office does not a good film make. Transformers 2 is top of the box office everywhere. Would you want Michael Bay to direct the next Bond? Tsui HAS made some terrific movies, but I seriously think his magic has gone. Although... Seven Swords was the best thing he'd done in quite some time. And yes, Tsui has/had a coke problem, and notice Van Damme had to hit rehab after working with him. Lol... conspiracy?? I really didn't know. I'm not up on personal gossip but the coke problem might explain Legend of Zu. I'm not saying Moore was better, as he's my least favorite Bond after Brosnan, but people have rewritten history as if Moore's Bonds weren't liked. Oh, there were very popular. I'm just saying they're not as good films. I do have a soft spot for Octopussy though... And I thought Dalton was a great Bond, but he deserved the kind of reboot Craig got with CASINO ROYALE. Funnily enough the Bond that Quantum of Solace most closely resembles is Licence to Kill. To an extent Dalton did 20 years ago what Craig is now doing but never got due credit for. The Living Daylights was the bridge between the lighter tone of the Moore era the grittiness of LTK. I think it stands up as one of the series best. and LICENCE is great until the last 20 minutes with a letdown confrontation with Sanchez, and Felix Leiter cheerily forgetting his wife's murder while flirting with a nurse. Yeah, that scene with Felix was out of place, but the tanker truck stuff was good. While it flopped in the US, LICENCE became one of the most popular Bonds on home video where it got a second chance and it plays better on the small screen for some reason. I never saw this at the cinema. It was a '15' in the UK (with cuts!) and I was only 9 when it came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Bond is relaxing in the beginning of the film with a beautiful woman giving him a rubdown. Felix, or some agent, comes up to Bond needing to talk to him about something. Bond tries to get the girl to leave. She asks, "Why?". He responds, "Man talk." and spanks her away. Bitch needs to know her place. Trivia: Did you know that the bottom-spanked blondie is the girl you see painted in gold for the opening credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member dionbrother Posted July 8, 2009 Member Share Posted July 8, 2009 A huge box office hit in Hong Kong in 1984 means a lot more than a huge hit in 2009. Hong Kong audiences were far more fickle back then and this was the peak of Hong Kong's homegrown cinema and they often rejected Western product. It is notable that ACES GO PLACES 3 was the only Aces to be released on US home video (as MAD MISSION 3). Was also a hit in Japan. I wouldn't call any of the ACES hackwork, aside from the lousy reboot with Alan Tam in 1998. Contrary to what others have written, Cinema City dominated Hong Kong theaters in then 1980s, not Golden Harvest. And their films upgraded production standards in HK of the time. Because it was felt audiences had rejected Dalton, Brosnan's movies were a return to the Moore style, a mistake after Austin Powers parodied them all too well. I don't get the hate for DOUBLE TEAM. People just looked at the cast and hated it without seeing it. It's amazingly overdirected and truer to the wildass HK movie making spirit than any of John Woo's US movies. You have to remember, this was pre-Sam Raimi's SPIDER-MAN, and DT offered the closest thing to a live action comic book ever seen in theaters. And Sammo Hung's best action scenes (he replaced the fired Charles Picerni on the 2nd Unit) in years. VD's fight with Hung Xin-Xin was his best ever. Hell, hire Sammo for the next 007 2nd Unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 A huge box office hit in Hong Kong in 1984 means a lot more than a huge hit in 2009. Yeah, but my point is that box office isn't any kind of aribiter of quality and never has been. I didn't hate ACES 3, it's just medicore. I wouldn't call any of the ACES hackwork, aside from the lousy reboot with Alan Tam in 1998. I never saw ACES 97. Of the first five I'd say the Eric Tsang entries (1 and 2) fared best. ALL THE WRONG SPIES is a better Tsui Hark comedy. But I still maintain they're hackwork. Tsui, Ringo Lam, Liu Chia-Liang all running on auto-pilot with anonymous slapstick and action. They don't even have to be baaaad to be hackwork. Because it was felt audiences had rejected Dalton, Brosnan's movies were a return to the Moore style, a mistake after Austin Powers parodied them all too well. The Brosnan movies were somewhere between the Moore films and the Dalton ones. They had the lighter tone, and humour, but also a more violent edge. There's drama in Goldeneye and The World is Not Enough that you wouldn't find in a Moore entry. But the producers felt the need to offset this with the usual innuendos and comic relief characters. That's perhaps why the Brosnan films divide so many... they sit on a fence between two fields. I think the Connery films took the brunt of the piss-take that is Austin Powers. I don't get the hate for DOUBLE TEAM. People just looked at the cast and hated it without seeing it. Oh, I don't hate Double Team. I did say I thought it was quite entertaining. It's just not one of the better films for either JCVD or Tsui Hark. I think it's a bit better than Knock Off. It's amazingly overdirected and truer to the wildass HK movie making spirit than any of John Woo's US movies. Maybe... but Hard Target fuckin' rocks. VD's fight with Hung Xin-Xin was his best ever. I wouldn't argue because I can't think of a better one right now. Hell, hire Sammo for the next 007 2nd Unit. That would be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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