Guest ekisha Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 When i watched his Informer,Police Force,Cops vs Robbers i began to like him.I collected what i could and ... Searching via google didn't help.Has he retired or went to TV dramas?Maybe someone knows? Look at his last movies(he did only 3 movies in 16 years: City Kids 1989 (1989) King of Beggars (1992) Election (2005) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member teako170 Posted February 5, 2009 Member Share Posted February 5, 2009 No news on WC. I always wondered if this was his sister or not. Only clue is same last name. They appeared in The Savage Five together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Cesare Posted February 5, 2009 Member Share Posted February 5, 2009 It would be interesting to know... Wong Chung was a great - and IMHO also a fairly versatile - actor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member SadShawFan Posted February 5, 2009 Member Share Posted February 5, 2009 Here is a translation of a media text from early 2007: WANG CHUNG … a different superstar As the movie „Election“ about the life and work of the triads triggered as much acclaim as controversy and was a reason to loud discussions about local filmmaking, one man, who had a small but fine cameo as “Whistle”, once more stepped into the limelight of the business. This time it was a bit different, because for once in his long and illustrious career he appeared only as a footnote in a Hong Kong movie. Critics lauded the comeback of actor Wnag Chung, who had left the acting business in 1992, starring in “King of Beggars” and who had also pulled the curtain for directing efforts as he helmed “Black Blood” in 2000. Born on August 16th, 1946 in Macao, Wang Chung always was a person who, because of his private life, divided fans and critics alike. He started his career at age 21 as he joined the Shaw studio to become a bit player and he had his first small role in Chang Cheh’s “Return of the One Armed Swordsman”. After another short appearance in “Dead End” he was introduced as a future prospect of the studio in the movie “Have Sword will Travel” in 1969. During the next few years he became a regular in several Wu Xia Pians and modern day dramas and in 1972/73 he stepped out of the shadows of the likes of Ti Lung and David Chiang as he landed sole starring roles in “Police Force” and “The Delinquent”. Because of his variety and charisma he got famous and widely recognized but he used his popularity rather lopsided. Especially his “coming out” during a time, when homosexuality was a big no-no in the Hong Kong movie and showbiz industry, almost destroyed his career. He did not mind and even let the well oiled machinery of the able press department of the Shaw studio look a wee bit stupid as their own publications announced that “new superstar Wang Chung searches for his wife-to-be” when he was openly parading his boyfriend at local functions. During 1973 and 1977 he was engulfed in severe problems which Wang Chung nowadays does not like to talk too much. One will never forget his famous interview with the South China Morning Post in November 1975, when he attacked the first critics who started to throw dirt towards Chang Cheh. “Let this wonderful man alone, please. He gives you so much joy, new ideas and wonderful hours in front of the silver screen and yet all you do is to lie about his orientations and to ruin his life. If you need a damn queer to spit on, then take me! Yes, I say it loud and clear and for everyone to notice: I love well hung guys!” This rendered his position at Shaw almost impossible. Together with his brother, fellow Shaw actor Wang Ching, he had to suffer troubles galore but the support of Cheh, Chu Yuan and other famous persons at Shaw enabled him to have a long career as an actor and director nevertheless. After he left Shaw for good, he declined offers to work for TVB and TV in general. Instead he turned towards independent work for several years. Today, Wang Chung is a member of several organisations promoting homosexuality and equal rights. He also is a vivid front person for a Asian AIDS NGO and he divides his time between his two homes in Hong Kong and Montreal, Canada. “I always was a liberal, a free spirit” he was quoted in a TV-interview during the ASEAN Aids Gala in HK in 2006. “It has got a bit better nowadays, but the general consensus is still a negative one. People like me are still shunned in the business and we have still a very long way to go. This is a disgrace. But it is also a shame that, when based in HK, I had to lose countless years of private joy and living to keep a public image. For example, what would I have given, if I could have walked across HK arm in arm with my partner in broad daylight and in public just like in San Francisco or other places around the world. Nowadays many say that I have done a lot for the change of mind in our circles, in our business and I gratefully accept this as my biggest triumph!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator KUNG FU BOB Posted February 5, 2009 Administrator Share Posted February 5, 2009 Holy smokes! That was some article. Thanks for the translation SadShawFan (why sad by the way). I think the only people that should be persecuted, are violent and intolerant people. What a shame that Wang Chun had to go through such turmoil in his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Cesare Posted February 5, 2009 Member Share Posted February 5, 2009 Wow! Thanks for the article. And I thought I couldn't like the guy more than I already do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ekisha Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Thanks for the article.So that's why we don't see him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member The Dragon Posted February 5, 2009 Member Share Posted February 5, 2009 ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member teako170 Posted February 5, 2009 Member Share Posted February 5, 2009 One will never forget his famous interview with the South China Morning Post in November 1975, when he attacked the first critics who started to throw dirt towards Chang Cheh. I had heard of WC's coming out but was careful not to repeat; unsure of its accuracy. Same along the lines of Fu Sheng's infidelity/ pending divorce prior to his fatal accident. But if its in the SCMP, then I have to take it for fact. Lots of good info in the archives of that paper. When we hit HK, I plan to spend an afternoon exploring their archives to see what else I might uncover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ekisha Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I had heard of WC's coming out but was careful not to repeat; unsure of its accuracy. Same along the lines of Fu Sheng's infidelity/ pending divorce prior to his fatal accident. But if its in the SCMP, then I have to take it for fact. Lots of good info in the archives of that paper. When we hit HK, I plan to spend an afternoon exploring their archives to see what else I might uncover. That would be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator KUNG FU BOB Posted February 5, 2009 Administrator Share Posted February 5, 2009 Ekisha, any chance you'll be able to make the HK trip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator KUNG FU BOB Posted February 6, 2009 Administrator Share Posted February 6, 2009 Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ching li Posted February 6, 2009 Member Share Posted February 6, 2009 I am glad wong chung's coming out didn't affect his career much. I thought he was one of the very few best actors shaw bros had and his was very entertaining in all of his roles. I thought he was very versatile, good looking, and very charismatic. A person should not be judge by what go on in their personal lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member bjv666 Posted February 6, 2009 Member Share Posted February 6, 2009 I have trouble "believing" articles that seem to have "holes" [discrepancies] in them Born on August 16th, 1946 in Macao http://69.94.110.201/accuracy.jpg born in Shanghai (1947) Virtually ALL the birthdates you've posted are WRONG!! Amazingly, even the ones that they GIVE you in their bios from DVDs wonder why that is? are you just making stuff up? where is your proof? One will never forget his famous interview with the South China Morning Post in November 1975 -- what were they interviewing HIM for back in Nov. '75 (?), while Chang Cheh was in Tawian ? But if its in the SCMP, then I have to take it for fact. Lots of good info in the archives of that paper. Love to see that in the SCMP - but unfortunately, they only go back to (1993). I love well hung guys!” -- that doesn't even sound like something a CHINESE would say. lol. "Who's HUNG in China?? Hong Kong? bjv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted February 6, 2009 Member Share Posted February 6, 2009 oooh... the plot thickens:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member teako170 Posted February 6, 2009 Member Share Posted February 6, 2009 Love to see that in the SCMP - but unfortunately, they only go back to (1993). That's for Scmp.com only. Are you saying they do not have archives dating back before '93 in their HK offices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member bjv666 Posted February 6, 2009 Member Share Posted February 6, 2009 That's for Scmp.com only. Are you saying they do not have archives dating back before '93 in their HK offices? I hope they do (...they should). But, I'd love to SEE where this article [for MYSELF]. Everyone makes "mistakes", but there's a BIG difference between making mistakes and "Making Sh#t Up".... Remember, I was the guy who initially stated that Fu Sheng was an extra in "14 AMAZONS". Posted it in his bio years ago [http://beijingvideo.com/h1b.html] when I learned it.... yet NO ONE believed me until you actually SAW a picture on him standing there with a number of Shaw trainees. Now that pic validated what I had said all along. Though I always knew this, OTHERS didn't believe it, until they saw it with there own eyes. People need to SEE that, which they've heard about in order to give "credence" or they'll always be skeptical of the infomation they've received. It's easier for some to just fabricate stuff, just to look good and standing in the spotlight. Now, with that light on - if you're LYING, people will only see YOU standing there and no matter how hard you try to get that spotlight off of you, it will follow you, everywhere you go from then on and EVERY TIME you say something is true, that light will began to fade. Statements like - One will never forget his famous interview with the South China Morning Post in November 1975, when he attacked the first critics who started to throw dirt towards Chang Cheh. .....If you need a damn queer to spit on, then take me! Yes, I say it loud and clear and for everyone to notice: I love well hung guys!” Statements like that [where the person mentioned is still ALIVE] need the proof to back it up. One should have such "proof" before stating "facts (?)" or even printing it. And if it were THAT famous, it would have been reprinted (escpecially now, since he's "promoting" being GAY). Remember that LO MANG incident where he was running through the streets "KISSING on (2) young guys" ???? Well, that was "DOCUMENTED" and no matter how hard you try to convince yourself that your "beloved" TOAD isn't GAY, is something most of his fans will have to deal will. But THAT made the newspapers, so you have your proof. But, the more I read things written by someone who'd rather just "make it up", leads me to question everything they post [which I do]. People post HAPPY BIRTHDAY "GORDON LIU" without even knowing if that date is correct of not. I've always found it more "challenging" to learn about these guys. Making a mistake "naming" someone is nothing new, but when you start going into the PERSONAL info, you'd think they'd at least would like to get it right. Today, Wang Chung is a member of several organisations promoting homosexuality and equal rights. He also is a vivid front person for a Asian AIDS NGO then it should be easy to get an interview with him now, all you have to do is tell him that you want him to "promote" HOMOSEXUALITY... Extra, Extra...[it's all in WHAT you believe..] Apart from acting, Yasuaki Kurata is running „Kurata Promotion“ (founded in 1976 as „Kurata Action Club“), an agency for action actors, and stuntmen. This company seems to be a sort of contra-part to the „JAC Japan Action Club“ founded six years earlier by action legend Sonny Chiba. Kurata is also chief advisor in the „All Japan Nunchaku League“, and teacher at a private college. In 2004, he published the book „Hong Kong Action Star Koyuroku“. In private life, Kurata has a liaison with his many years’ business partner Yanzu Hibaishi. Yasuaki Kurata is one of few Asian stars who openly profess their homosexuality; he is member of some Asian civil rights movements, and the Japanese Pro Gay League. "Japanese Pro Gay League ????" http://www.shaw-brothers-reloaded.com/html/shaw_brothers_star_chan_shen_.html [http://69.94.110.201/1chan.jpg] http://www.shaw-brothers-reloaded.com/html/shaw_brothers_star_fan_mei_she.html [http://69.94.110.201/fan123.jpg] http://www.shaw-brothers-reloaded.com/html/shaw_brothers_star_david_chian.html Lies have a way of "Spreading"..........especially, if you do your OWN researching. http://www.hkcinemagic.com/en/people.asp?id=27 [http://69.94.110.201/1dc.jpg] Maulder: The TRUTH is out there [somewhere] Skully : We just gotta find "proof"..... "Everybody "Wang Chung" tonight...." bjv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member teako170 Posted February 7, 2009 Member Share Posted February 7, 2009 "Everybody "Wang Chung" tonight...." bjv Haha. Ok. Good one. Btw, what is the source of the jpegs you're posting? Looks like some sort of Shaw studio card.... Would you have any other documents that can corroborate the date shown here: http://69.94.110.201/1dc.jpg Anyhow, what I'm driving at here folks is.... bjv has pointed out something rather significant in that verifying facts is key in any journalism endeavor. The old "3 Sources" rule is only good so long as sources are independent of one another. The "3 Stooges" are an example of how this rule can be abused in that... "Larry said this so its right because Curly agreed because Moe agreed because Larry agreed, etc., etc." It becomes a big circle jerk, so gathering information from independent sources is essential. I hate to use the word "lie" (as it has a malicious intent stench of it) but misinformation can quickly escalate (esp. on the net) if people (sites) continue to quote each other. The whole David Chiang birth date is one that should be easy to verify -- considering the man is (1) alive, (2) not "whereabouts unknown" but living in Canada (I believe) and (3) speaks the English language. Now, all we need is someone to just go ask him (or provide an interview in which he states his actual birth date). I've sent an email to someone who might be able to shed some further light... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jesse Smooth Posted February 7, 2009 Member Share Posted February 7, 2009 Looking at those SB cards, some of the actors' DOB are different than wikipedia or those listed on hkfa. Because we weren't there at the time nor nobody else but us on the forums care, the truth to some of these things may never be known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member teako170 Posted February 7, 2009 Member Share Posted February 7, 2009 I hope they do (...they should). But, I'd love to SEE where this article [for MYSELF]. I hope they do too. Can't imagine a hundred-year-old publication not having archives. If not them, I'm betting a HK library has the stuff on microfiche/film. Yup folks, while Tosh and the others will be sucking down San Miguel overlooking the K-Bay with some Chinese hotties, poor ol' Teak will be book-worming it away between the HKFA and SCMP gathering information for his KFF brothers. Its a thankless task -- but one I welcome, nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jesse Smooth Posted February 7, 2009 Member Share Posted February 7, 2009 Yup folks, while Tosh and the others will be sucking down San Miguel overlooking the K-Bay with some Chinese hotties, poor ol' Teak will be book-worming it away between the HKFA and SCMP gathering information for his KFF brothers. Its a thankless task -- but one I welcome, nonetheless. I'll be trying to be digging through the trash bins of out-of business-companies looking for pristine prints, posters and ads. XD Plus, I'll be prepping for the food. No Panda Express! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member bjv666 Posted February 7, 2009 Member Share Posted February 7, 2009 Haha. Ok. Good one. Btw, what is the source of the jpegs you're posting? Looks like some sort of Shaw studio card.... Would you have any other documents that can corroborate the date shown here: http://69.94.110.201/1dc.jpg I STILL need corroboration? lol, why, u don't believe me? http://69.94.110.201/1dc2.jpg 5th MONTH, 11th DAY Basically all the actors had these Info Sheets/Cards- gave you all their PERSONAL info Name REAL name Birthplace Birth - Month & Date Height Weight When they started at the studio, etc... Looking at those SB cards, some of the actors' DOB are different than wikipedia or those listed on hkfa. Wikipedia is mainly people [if they like a certain subject] OFFER info - most cut and paste from OTHER sources, but there are a SMALL dedicated few, who actually RESEARCH the stuff BEFORE posting it. You can tell who's done their work - and who hasn't - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_Li http://www.shaw-brothers-reloaded.com/html/shaw_brothers_star_lily_li.html [birthdate's WRONG also !!] ODDLY enough, they both have about the same amount of info on them... If you look down at the EXTERNAL LINKS, you'll see - (1) Imdb - just chose to put the year, since it didn't know the actuall birthdate - which is smart (1) chose to " CUT & PASTE" what someone else had on their site - which was WRONG, as was the info + When you Post and DON'T research what you're posting, you'll run into problems. http://69.94.110.201/ll1.jpg There are times when I run across ones that seem out of place, THEY say http://69.94.110.201/cyy12.jpg I see http://69.94.110.201/cyy1.jpg [more than once] http://69.94.110.201/cyy3.jpg but then I have to use my judgement, as I've seen Celestial make mistakes on certain info and we NEVER see "Lesser-Known" actors bio information anywhere on their disks. Maybe they felt everyone else in the movie didn't count? NO, they were just too lazy to dig up this info on these people. Most have called Shaw Bros their home for years and yet, you get nothing about them. There are many places to look for info, but again, you have to REALLY wanna find it and you have to check and Double check stuff. Hmmmmm.....I wonder WHY? See BELOW. Because we weren't there at the time nor nobody else but us on the forums care...... The (real) Problem was that no one cared... a lot of events are recorded in history, where you didn't have to be there. It just takes people to keep an accurate acount of such events. I cared enough to start learning my NAMES & NUMBERS in Chinese. You have to (really) care about your Hobby, in order to "transend" it, where it's (now) more than just something you do every now & again. "Moe Howard was the KING of Comedy!!" bjv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member teako170 Posted February 7, 2009 Member Share Posted February 7, 2009 I STILL need corroboration? lol, why, u don't believe me? http://69.94.110.201/1dc2.jpg 5th MONTH, 11th DAY As Rocky Balboa said to the guy on the dock in the first film... "Look, Bob, if ya wanna dance, ya gotta pay the band -- If ya borrow, ya gotta pay the man... Me, I ain't emotionally involved." So allow me to play devil's advocate. Not disputing either source but wondering what could cause such a discrepancy. Could the dates on these two cards be lunar (instead of solar)? I recall Chang Cheh speaking of this when he gave his birth date in an interview. On a whim, I plugged in DC's solar date (6/29/47) and got for the lunar date: 5/12/47 (it was a leap month). http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/ClunarCal1.htm I couldn't try it with CYY because it doesn't go back to 1915. Perhaps you can try the above link with a few other cards you have and compare the dates. I would be very curious to hear of your findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member bjv666 Posted February 8, 2009 Member Share Posted February 8, 2009 I couldn't try it with CYY because it doesn't go back to 1915. Perhaps you can try the above link with a few other cards you have and compare the dates. I would be very curious to hear of your findings. To "mend" your previous quote... ...Are you saying they do not have archives dating back before '1915 in their HK offices???? Could the dates on these two cards be lunar (instead of solar)? I recall Chang Cheh speaking of this when he gave his birth date in an interview. On a whim, I plugged in DC's solar date (6/29/47) and got for the lunar date: 5/12/47 (it was a leap month). Could OTHERS be using LUNAR years instead of SOLAR? I would say YES. http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/ClunarCal1.htm I see that they have a section that lets you change to the LUNAR year - which means that they are basing their finds on the SOLAR year !! The dates given on their cards are SOLAR. Try TI LUNG's name... These cards show the person's SIGNATURE "THE STRANGE CASE OF LILY HO & TINA CHIN-FEI" ============================================= Lily is born 11-25 KFC say 1946 Celetial says 1947 she was 17 in 1965, which means she was born in (1948) So that would make her birthday : (11-25-48) LILY HO (1968) http://69.94.110.201/bd68.jpg LILY HO (1970) http://69.94.110.201/bd70.jpg LILY HO (1971) http://69.94.110.201/bd71.jpg With or without Signature, the dates NEVER change + TINA CHIN-FEI's birthday was always posted as APRIL 6th http://69.94.110.201/bdt1.jpg [this has her signature on the card] NOTICE here, she's 5ft, 4in ### in (1970) it looked like this: http://69.94.110.201/bdt70.jpg [Notice these aren't the same cards with SIGNATURES] NOTICE here, she's 5ft, 5in ### This was also a DIFFERENT magazine (yet, ironically for the SAME company!!) Yet in (1971) we have http://69.94.110.201/bdt71.jpg [Again it's APRIL 6th - complete WITH Signature] NOTICE here, she's 5ft, 4in ### If you went by the LUNAR year, they'd SHARE a birthday, http://69.94.110.201/cake12.jpg but if you went by what's always been on her card, they would not. Maybe she just wanted some CAKE... SHIH SZU (birthdate 10-24-53) [i started with the LUNAR year 9-17-53] --------------------------------------------- +Convert lunar to solar +China Civil Calendar (only for east longitude 120 degree) Solar Year: 1953 Month: 10 Day: 24 Lunar Year: 1953 Month: 9 Day: 17 Leap month +No Such Leap Month ---------------------------------------------------------- +Convert solar to lunar +++++ +China Civic Calendar Time Zone: CHINA City longitude: 120 Solar Year: 1953 Month: 9 Day: 17 Lunar Year: 1953 Month: 8 Day: 10 Leap month ------------------------------------------------- This year: Solar Year: 1953 Month: 10 Day: 24 http://69.94.110.201/ss70.jpg [as it appears throughout her years at Shaw on her Signatured card] Like TINA CHIN-FEI's 1970's birthdate, here her's is also the LUNAR year) http://69.94.110.201/hkmn70.jpg [Lunar Year: 1953 Month: 9 Day: 17 Leap month] If I were born on Leap Year and (Feb. 29th) was my birthday the other years, I have to celebrate on the day that FOLLOWED the 28th - which would be MARCH 1st., not in January or April.... When do you celebrate YOUR birthday......on the date you were born or your LUNAR year's date? bjv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member teako170 Posted February 8, 2009 Member Share Posted February 8, 2009 To "mend" your previous quote... ...Are you saying they do not have archives dating back before '1915 in their HK offices???? No-no. I was referring to the Chinese Lunar Calendar Conversion page. It starts with 1910 but then skips to 1920. Could OTHERS be using LUNAR years instead of SOLAR? I would say YES. Short on time today. Let me look at your findings further and I'll respond tomorrow with my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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