Guest Markgway Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Is there a 2.35 anamorphic dir's cut DVD of this film anywhere on this planet? The US Disc is the 106m unrated dir's cut (yay!) but in their infinite wisdom Artisan (pron. Arsesthen) cropped the film to 1.33 and retitled it Army of One (boo!) There's no UK disc - but then EIV's tape was censored and abridged (with re-shot "happier" ending). AFAIK, all German versions are cut to hell. The French DVD is 2.35 (not sure about 16:9?) but dubbed in Fr only (bah!) - also for some reason this print is missing a couple of mins of dialogue(!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member mark187 Posted September 26, 2008 Member Share Posted September 26, 2008 good question, but I haven't heard of one. all I have is the old VHS from Live Home Video, and I'm not about to upgrade to a fullframe dvd of the same quality. but actually it's a really good movie, and contains probably the best John Woo inspired shootout I've ever seen in a US film. the soundtrack is awesome too, def. the best Dolph Lundgren movie I've seen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Yeah, not many directors get as close to Woo as Vic Armstrong did with that garage gunfight. Shame he didn't continue to direct. Probably Lundgren's best film, but didn't even get a theatrical release in the US or UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member oldeschool17 Posted September 27, 2008 Member Share Posted September 27, 2008 Did U2 provide the soundtrack for this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Don't laugh. That's apparently why they changed the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member oldeschool17 Posted September 27, 2008 Member Share Posted September 27, 2008 Don't laugh. That's apparently why they changed the title. Lovely. What better way to blend cinema and music than to have "With or Without You" playing as Kristian Alfonso's body double is showering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member spannick Posted September 27, 2008 Member Share Posted September 27, 2008 the 1.33 Version on US DVD is not cropped, it's open matte. you see a hell of a lot more Picture on it. just zoom it in and it looks fine. the 2.35 is matted too severe. also, there's a whole different ending on the US Version than on the German / old European VHS Versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 the 1.33 Version on US DVD is not cropped, it's open matte. you see a hell of a lot more Picture on it. just zoom it in and it looks fine. the 2.35 is matted too severe. also, there's a whole different ending on the US Version than on the German / old European VHS Versions. Ah. Was it filmed in Super 35 then? The DVD-R I have is the Unrated Dir's Cut (with ARMY OF ONE title) but it's matted (I had assumed it was cropped) to 1.78. But now I'm thinking it's the 1.33 print that someone has 16:9'd. I have to say it does look pretty good. So Spannick are you saying that 2.35 is NOT the original (intended) aspect ratio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member spannick Posted September 28, 2008 Member Share Posted September 28, 2008 well it could have been shot for 2.35 in mind, but i doubt it's correctly reformatted on the Video formats. i got a 2.35 Version from German TV (MGM) and it's matted even MORE than the French DVD... (and it has the other Ending!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member spannick Posted September 28, 2008 Member Share Posted September 28, 2008 here a shot to compare each Version: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Judging by your caps (thanks, BTW) looks like it could be Super 35. 1.33 has significantly more info at the top and bottom and a sliver less at the sides (and that usually that spells S35 format). Looks like 2.35 could be the intended ratio (anyone got Vic Armstrong's phone number? lol) but might play most comfortably at a little less (between 1.85 and 2.00 say) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jox Posted October 22, 2008 Member Share Posted October 22, 2008 It WAS shot in Super35 (according the production notes) and screened theatrically in France in 2.35 (which, given that it is a modern day western was certainly the ratio intended, S35 just costs less than anamorphic). Gotta get the widescreen Japanese laserdisc although it's the initial shorter version... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member falkor Posted October 22, 2008 Member Share Posted October 22, 2008 Is this a good film? I only got to see Showdown In Little Tokyo re: Lundgren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Karlos Posted October 22, 2008 Moderator Share Posted October 22, 2008 I got the Korean DVD from eBay back in Feb - it appears to be widescreen (No idea about ratios, I'm rubbish at all that!), but doesn't have the extra scenes at the end. It is a gorgeous print, though! I really enjoyed the film; certainly one of Dolph's best - along with Men of War, Showdon in LT and Punisher, IMO. And who knew George Segal had such a potty mouth??! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Karlos Posted October 22, 2008 Moderator Share Posted October 22, 2008 Bah! Just checked my disc - and it's FULL screen! :S Man, my memory is BAD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member spannick Posted October 22, 2008 Member Share Posted October 22, 2008 btw, MEN OF WAR is ONLY available in its full unrated Glory (in 2.35 Format) on a Swedish 4 Movies on 2 DVDs set (!). the Touchstone DVD is severly overmatted and edited in lots of Violence for an R-Rating. only minor quibble: uncut DVD is 4:3, not 16:9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jox Posted October 22, 2008 Member Share Posted October 22, 2008 btw, MEN OF WAR is ONLY available in its full unrated Glory (in 2.35 Format) on a Swedish 4 Movies on 2 DVDs set (!). Swedish edition also available on a single disc. Also I'm pretty sure the Japanese DVD is widescreen 2.35 and uncut and possibly even 5.1 although I'm not 100% sure because I don't own it YET. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member spannick Posted October 22, 2008 Member Share Posted October 22, 2008 hey, if you link me to a Catalog Number or Japanese link i'll happily try it out. love the Movie and tried out every possible Version you can think of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jox Posted October 22, 2008 Member Share Posted October 22, 2008 Be my guest http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=GNBF-7331 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member spannick Posted October 22, 2008 Member Share Posted October 22, 2008 thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member spannick Posted October 22, 2008 Member Share Posted October 22, 2008 someone already tried: http://www.ofdb.de/view.php?page=fassung&fid=472&vid=253479 JP DVD is sadly only the R Version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Karlos Posted October 23, 2008 Moderator Share Posted October 23, 2008 I got Men of War on Reg 1, which I believe comes in two flavors: full and W/S (Why??!) Can anyone please tell me what's missing from the R rated version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member spannick Posted October 23, 2008 Member Share Posted October 23, 2008 http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=4420 Pictures and Timecodes should help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 It WAS shot in Super35 (according the production notes) and screened theatrically in France in 2.35 (which, given that it is a modern day western was certainly the ratio intended, S35 just costs less than anamorphic). Super 35 is a giant pain in the arse. It always causes framing issues and never looks as good as Panavision. Is this a good film? I only got to see Showdown In Little Tokyo Yes. It's a lot better than Little Tokyo. btw, MEN OF WAR is ONLY available in its full unrated Glory (in 2.35 Format) on a Swedish 4 Movies on 2 DVDs set (!). the Touchstone DVD is severly overmatted and edited in lots of Violence for an R-Rating. only minor quibble: uncut DVD is 4:3, not 16:9 Dolph's second best movie and another that's been treated poorly by distributors. I saw the unrated version on TV but t'was full screen alas. This one was scope wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jox Posted October 23, 2008 Member Share Posted October 23, 2008 Yeah, and anamorphic scope this time (I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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