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Did Bruce Lee appear in any if Shaw movies?


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Rumours rumours rumours - some say Bruce was gonna sign up at Shaws and do some movies with Chu Yuan and other directors at SB that he admired - rumours - we shall never know.

Rumours rumours rumours - how many millions could Raymond Chow have paid more than the almighty Shaws or was it simply a future potential clash of egos that lured him to Golden Harvest (on Bruce's terms)? Who knows what exactly transpired?

Fact - regardless of what anyone thinks of Bruce's films, opponents or choreography Bruce doesn't play-fight, he whips ass and the ass stays whipped.Afterwards the ass marvels at how seriously it was whipped.

Like it or not,when Bruce arrived on the scene,there was absolutely nothing remotely seen in movies anywhere on planet earth like his fighting techniques.

Bruce's contribution , the amount of famous stars and people he inspired today in the transformation of the worldwide kung fu / martial arts industry should never be taken for granted.

I couldn't have said it better myself Kwok Choi, well put. :cool:

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Its not rumours, in his diary, he stated that he was putting sept/oct 1973 aside for Shaws. If he would have done it is questionable because obviously he did not know how successful Enter The Dragon was going to be and what offers were to come after it.

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From what I understand Bruce's goal was to become a major Hollywood star so after Enter the Dragon's success he probably would have went American mainstream where the big bucks were had he lived.

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Its not rumours, in his diary, he stated that he was putting sept/oct 1973 aside for Shaws. If he would have done it is questionable because obviously he did not know how successful Enter The Dragon was going to be and what offers were to come after it.

I was under the impression Shaw's was where he went first before Golden Harvest. 1973 would be after.

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This was written in his diary around June/ July 1973, so he obviously had a deal in the pipeline. He visited Shaws 1969 / 1970 to try and get a deal but they just offered him a standard contract which he refused

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With all due respect David Rees and this is not for argument sake putting Sept/Oct aside in his diary could relate to quite a number of issues to do with Shaws that were not specific because no one to date (I believe that at least Linda,some Shaw executives and Bruce's close friends etc might have been privy to some aspect of this deal/deals ) has precisely pinpointed his exact intentions.Confidentiality should not still be an issue in this matter posthumously so all deals or other projects and intentions should have been made public today ala The Silent Flute.

It should also be remembered that though Bruce saw the final cut of Enter The Dragon at a private preview screening he did not live to see the movie's general release and worldwide success so this highlight of his career which was yet to come cannot obviously have had any influence on his decision making with regards to Shaws during or before this period.

Let's assume Bruce did Longstreet,Big Boss,Fist Of Fury,The Way Of The Dragon and Enter The Dragon between 1971 - 1973, his next project I assume would have been The Game Of Death ( there is room for debate here regarding other projects so feel free to air your views ) therefore it would have been a bit odd to pencil in Sept/Oct 1973 or June/July 73 for Shaws unless he was planning to shoot the Shaw film/films in a month.Anyway at this point he would have been so successful and independent - had he lived and benefitted from Enter.... - that unless he had previously signed a contract and was under some legally binding obligation to make the Shaw film/films, the possibly of Bruce Lee's Shaw products might have been slim at this stage.

Lets also bear in mind that Enter The Dragon was a very troubled shoot so even after it's phenomenal worldwide success the chances of Bruce heading straight into another American co - production would have been delayed till all differences which almost shelved Enter..... were sorted because it is posible that Bruce would still have wanted to use the talents of the Hong Kong players and crew which can further be construed that Bruce could have done Game Of Death or The Silent Flute before a fully financed Hollywood movie making the chance of doing a Shaw film in that time frame even slimmer as Golden Havest and Concord Films would have priority during this lull.Therefore till someone de-mystifies the myth with facts,the Shaws movies at that time frame of 1971 - 1973 can be tantamount to rumours.

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Good points Kwok Choi, pencilled in for Shaws could have meant anything but he did go as far as having test shots in traditional costume as seen above.

Personally i dont think he would have stayed in HK and would have moved to Hollywood and worked there. Its such a shame that he or even his son Brandon for that matter didnt get a chance to do a balls out traditional kung fu movie.

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What is sad is that there are still so many mysteries surrounding his death. It's just so hard to accept the story about him dying from a reaction to a pill. How many people out there still suspect he was murdered? I believe like most that after the success of Enter The Dragon Bruce would have ended up in Hollywood for the long haul. I highly doubt that he would have made anymore Hong Kong films. Or even finished The Game of Death. Who knows??

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I heard Bruce Lee was going to be in a film for the Shaw Brothers called 'Dragon of Jade' some of the pics people have posted are the screentests for that film.

I love how he looks in those pics.

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Time for me to add my two cents...

First of all, it was stated back in '73 by none other than James Coburn,(attempting to lure Lee back to The Silent Flute project by FOX), Lee said to him when he visited HK: " If Paramount can give Brando a million dollars, The Shaws can do the same here, for me." It was a plan of Lee's and a ploy to make a real quality MA film with the biggest studio in Southeast Asia, The Shaw Bros., on his terms. Shaw had already sent a correspondance asking Lee to "name his price." Various writers had begun preparing scripts, and director's names began to get tossed about. Chor Yuan was believed to have an inside track because of his "friendship" with Lee. Run Run also had people at every level inside the production of ETD who reported all information on the project, actually believing it may not finish due to the difficulties between the HK and US crews. Raymond Chow was aware of Shaws tampering with Lee, and really didn't set well with the idea.

Game of Death was being filmed and passed off as an idea Lee had "floating" around. According to Tom Bleecker, Linda Lee's 2nd hubby, Lee was not under contract with a studio, and had only formed Concord partnering with Chow, and the Triads were hot on Bruce's ass for co-operation, Tea Money.

Therefore, GOD was shot in GH Studios, with their equipment, but without contracted production people. It was similar to the production of WOTD, but even moreso this time around. That's why Lee did so much himself, even set design and Cinematography. You honestly think there were no competent people to assist with this production? Remember the stories about Lee being upset at Raymond about finances regarding WOTD? They were told, do not work on this production; another reason Bruce looked toward his comrades in the US to act is, he couldn't use Triad employed actors. James Tien and Chieh Yuen were not contracted by the studio at the time. It's another reason Lee went to the New Territories to shoot, and rehearse. GOD was also going to be made in Korea, outside HK, where certain non contracted actors could work freely. Sammo, who was originally cast by Bruce to play Chieh Yuen's role, bailed on Lee, pretending he didn't know the production had started. He was GH's in-house choreographer. It was his job to know about productions. Strange eh? Lee insisted he be there for ETD so he wouldn't lose face and Sammo relented.

No my friends it wasn't a rumour, Lee intended to make a Shaw film, if for no other reason than to "thumb his nose" at Chow, and Shaw could have protected Lee... who also referred to Run Run as "Uncle". When Jimmy Wang Yu wanted his independance from Shaws, a deal was made, however, he could never film a movie in HK again... and that was '70-'71!!! before Lee's career took off! What would be Lee's (who became way bigger that Jimmy Wang Yu overnight), severence pay for leaving Chow, the man who gave him his "chance" for his most hated rival?....

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Just to add my 2 cents worth, when you watch the Game of Death footage that Bruce completed before Enter the Dragon, I don't think the various martial arts scenes were all that sophisticated or exciting. In fact they were disappointing; offset by the fact these were the last filmed footage of the Legend to be seen by the public. Bruce's battle scene in Han's cave against many opponents using multiple weapons was classic, building up in sophistication to a most satisfying climax with the unveiling of his nunchaku. Though 'Enter' wasn't Bruce's best film, the cave fight scene is something that I can watch over and over again. You wonder what Bruce would had done if he had lived (besides turning 68 this year), In comparison, the Game of Death scenes were simplistic and disjointed.

In my mind, after Enter the Dragon, I think Bruce would had gone back and refilmed some of the Game of Death pagoda scenes to improve them in terms of excitement and flow.

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I think the footage is good when edited well, which ironically it is in the 78 film. It's fast moving, dynamic and well scored. The two reconstructions seen earlier this decade are slow moving and overlong. It doesn't help that Ji Han Jae, for all his real life credentials, is one of the least impressive on screen fighters i've ever seen

I often wondered if the footage was more for test purposes or something. Seems very odd to shoot a film with an incomplete cast - where were the other comrades of Bruce? Where were the other guardians? Imagine the continuity flaws (esp Bruce's weight!) if the existing footage had been used in a proper feature

Just to add my 2 cents worth, when you watch the Game of Death footage that Bruce completed before Enter the Dragon, I don't think the various martial arts scenes were all that sophisticated or exciting. In fact they were disappointing; offset by the fact these were the last filmed footage of the Legend to be seen by the public. Bruce's battle scene in Han's cave against many opponents using multiple weapons was classic, building up in sophistication to a most satisfying climax with the unveiling of his nunchaku. Though 'Enter' wasn't Bruce's best film, the cave fight scene is something that I can watch over and over again. You wonder what Bruce would had done if he had lived (besides turning 68 this year), In comparison, the Game of Death scenes were simplistic and disjointed.

In my mind, after Enter the Dragon, I think Bruce would had gone back and refilmed some of the Game of Death pagoda scenes to improve them in terms of excitement and flow.

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I happen to think that the reconstructed GOD footage (40 mins approx) is the best work Bruce ever did. Had he gotten to finish we may have been talking about a classic all these years later.

Far too many conspiracy theories about Bruce (and his death) and not enough hard fact.

And James Tien was contracted to Golden Harvest when Game of Death was made. They had hopes of making him a star and he was miffed when Bruce came along and he had to play second fiddle. Then Wang Yu started to work for Harvest and same thing happened again. Tien never really got much of a break because there was always somebody bigger to take his place.

Also people assume that the Pagoda footage was the end of the movie and that after Kareem it was THE END. But I doubt that. He still had to deal with the people who had kidnapped his sister. And that could have been any number of the actors Bruce spoke to in regards to completing the film (Sammo? George Lazenby? Bolo?)

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[The Dragon]What would be Lee's (who became way bigger that Jimmy Wang Yu overnight), severence pay for leaving Chow, the man who gave him his "chance" for his most hated rival?....

I think Raymond Chow had Bruce Lee killed because he didn't want to lose him to The Shaws or America. He knew if Bruce had huge success with Enter The Dragon that there was a good chance Bruce would be gone for good from Golden Harvest and once Lee was a huge enough star to write his own ticket anywhere in the world Chow wouldn't be able to touch him. It all kind of makes sense. I never really bought into the whole story about working on the script for Game of Death. For all we know Game of Death was already done and Chow is hiding it because he needed an alibi!

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Here is an article I found:

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ray.d8/article8.html

The Real Game Begins...

This is the story surrounding the making of Bruce Lee's "Game Of Death".

Raymond Chow has laid a screen of lies around Bruce Lee's most important project. He is a master of the carefully prepared public image. This man radiates calmness, with his quiet voice and almost permanent smile. But behind that smile lie some very sharp teeth, as many have found out. Like most successful businessmen, loyalty does not seem to be a word in Chow's vocabulary, and this is a key point to remember in relation to Bruce Lee and Game Of Death.

Bruce Lee signed with Raymond Chow to do "The Big Boss" and "Fist Of Fury" for a meer £3000 per film. These films were huge box-office successes that added to Chow's financial gain, but most importantly saved "Golden Harvest" from probable extinction. Now that his initial contract with "Golden Harvest" was complete, he could do whatever he wanted. He found that everyone wanted a piece of "The Little Dragon" , including Italian producer Carlo Ponti.

Ponti offered Bruce a blank cheque if he would do a film with Sophia Loren, which would have made him the highest paid actor in the world. Despite lucrative deals, Bruce decided to form his own production company, "Concord Productions" , and displaying a large amount of loyalty, asked Chow to become his partner in his new business.

"The Way Of The Dragon" , which saw Bruce write, direct, star, choreograph and play instruments on the soundtrack, was the first "Golden Harvest / Concord" co-production. It broke all box-office records in Hong Kong. Chow was over the moon by now, with the sure knowledge that Bruce's films were wiping out competition from "Shaw Brothers". All was well between Lee and Chow, as their second co-production, "Game Of Death" got underway. But all this was about to change, America was coming to Raymond Chow...

All the contacts Bruce had made at "Warner Brothers" had finally paid off after his "Warrior" concept hadn't worked and a confidential memo stating he was "too oriental" to play the part in "Warrior" , or as it was re-titled "Kung Fu" . Because of the "now or never" nature of the Americans, the shooting of "Game Of Death" was temporarily halted, and "Enter The Dragon" began. Raymond Chow was now working with the Americans, with possibilities seeming endless. If he could develop strong ties with "Warner Brothers" , he would never have to worry about "Shaw Brothers" again. This was a way of using Bruce to make a name for himself overseas.

"Enter The Dragon" was a "Warner Brothers / Golden Harvest / Concord Productions" project. Chow began preparing pre-production publicity material which stated the film was a "Warner Brothers / Golden Harvest " production, completely missing out Bruce's company name from the credits. Chow then began giving interviews to the Hong Kong press, stating that Bruce was like a stupid child who owed all his success to Chow's fatherly advice. Chow said that he was the puppet master and Bruce was his senseless puppet. But these tactics backfired on Chow. "Warner Brothers" were only interested in Bruce and not Chow's "Golden Harvest" company, making Bruce feeling betrayed by his old .

Bruce planned to co-produce his next project "Little Phoenix" with "Shaw Brothers" , even as far as going to shoot a series of costume tests. But before Chow's star pupil could defect, Bruce died, leaving "Enter The Dragon" complete and "Game Of Death" sadly unfinished.

In an interview, Raymond Chow stated that he couldn't look at the "Game Of Death" footage for a long time because he was too upset. That's odd, considering that he sent a camera crew around to film his dead 'friend's' home for the cash-in documentary "Bruce Lee, The Man & The Legend". They also filmed plenty of footage of the grieving Lee family, the funeral services, Bruce's body and the 'brave' Mr. Chow escorting a grief-stricken Linda Lee to the airport. These cinematic grave-robbers even returned to film more shots of Bruce's house as the removal men stripped the place. In a matter of weeks, this 'tribute' to the late Bruce Lee was being shown in all the Hong Kong cinemas. Would you say that these were the actions of a man terribly upset by a friend's death? I think not. With 'friends' like these...

Raymond Chow still harbored hopes of breaking into the American scene, and "Game Of Death" with Bruce Lee's name was the key. Bruce's original script was thrown away with indecent haste, and replaced with a tacky American scenario that would hopefully convince the American that Chow could produce films just as bad as their own.

A cast of American has-beens were assembled to star in Mr. Chow's version of "Game Of Death". These included Gig Young, a notorious alcoholic who blew his brains out shortly after 'completion' (He's drunk in almost every scene in the film). Hugh O'Brien, with connections to organised crime, shot his girlfriend, then himself shortly after 'completion'. Dean Jagger, the fanatical right-wingist, once got a director fired because of his political sympathies, also died shortly after 'completion'. Then there's Colleen Camp, a Z-grade 'actress', with hardly no credits to her name, was given the main female role.

Raymond Chow hired Robert Clouse to be director just that he could put 'By the makers of Enter The Dragon' on the film's poster. The only thing Chow got right was hiring Samo Hung (choreographer) and Bob Wall. By that I mean they tried talking Chow out of letting Clouse direct the film. Bob Wall later said that "Game Of Death" was hindered by having the man he considered the worst action director of all time. I agree, because Bruce knew what he was doing on "Enter The Dragon" and I don't think Clouse did. The locker room fight between Bob Wall and the Bruce Lee double looked better than the rest of the fight (minus the last real Bruce footage at the end) is because Samo and Bob barred Clouse from the set for that fight.

Three Bruce Lee doubles were used in "Game Of Death". Chen Yao Po, for the non-combat scenes; The extremely ugly Kim Tai Chung, mishandles the fights; and Yuen Biao, who physical shortness contrasts badly with the string-bean appearances of the other 'actors'. To make the action scenes even worse is the awful caterwauling, which, far from sounding anything like Bruce's war-cries, seems to be straight out of a Tom and Jerry cartoon.

Bruce Lee's character in "Game Of Death" is called Billy Lo. Billy is a Kung Fu actor (an excuse to show scenes from Bruce's previous films) with a blonde American girlfriend. They are being pressured to sign exclusive managerial contracts with American organized criminals. Billy always seems to be lurking around dimly lit rooms, wearing those stupendously large sunglasses, which he never takes off. It's almost as if he doesn't want anyone to see his face. Curiouser and curiouser... The American mobsters, obviously on holiday in Hong Kong shoot Billy in the face (excuse for jumping scene at the end of "Fist Of Fury". Billy fakes his own death, and is given a fake funeral (cue for Clouse to stick in real footage from Bruce's funeral). Raymond Chow must be wiping away the crocodile tears when he saw these scenes of Bruce's funeral and corpse. Personally, I think that this material should never have been included in the film, it is a disgrace to the memory of Bruce Lee. Anyway, donning a false beard, Billy is free to exact his puny revenge against the mobsters and their henchmen. The girlfriend gets kidnapped and stuck in a special warehouse constructed out of balsa wood, cardboard and sugar glass. Billy arrives at the warehouse and is attacked by motorbiking American stuntmen wearing different coloured versions of the famous black and yellow catsuit. Could this be an excuse to get Billy into the catsuit? You got it. Billy then goes the bad guys' headquarters, situated up the stairs of a restaurant's dining room. This is where we finally get to see the genuine Bruce footage, Danny, Chi and Kareem. Then its back to the double for a fight with Hugh O'Brien, who fights like an pensioner in a pub brawl. Then we have the dummy of a near-senile Dean Jagger plunging from the roof to his death through some neon signs. Then we have Colleen Camp warbling her way through the song "Will this be the song I'll be singing tomorrow", while the credits show Bruce in some shots from his earlier films.

"Golden Harvest's", Raymond Chow wasted no time making "Game Of Death 2". Fans hoped to see more unseen footage of Bruce, but Chow was not going to let go of this ultra-valuable footage.

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A bit far fetched I guess to hear all this now. Who knows, really. A lot of Chinese do believe Lee was killed by the Mafia. I have some old martial arts movie magazines boxed up and there were articles about Lee supposedly being rubbed out by the mob and even a mention of him apparently being done in by being "touched" in a lethal pressure point. I do remember when the 1993 Bruce Lee movie, DRAGON was being made, the makers apparently had problems with gangsters warning them not to film the movie. Incidentally, some of that movie was shot at Shaw Brothers studio. Not long after, of course, Brandon Lee would die in a "freak" accident.

A nice article and interesting point of view, however, I don't think Lee was "wiping out competition from Shaw Brothers" considering the company was producing far more movies than Golden Harvest. Around this time was some of Shaw's most productive years churning out 40-50 movies a year. Regardless of how much money a couple of Lee's movies were making, Shaw's was still very successful and signs of trouble didn't really become apparent till the end of the 1970's when they began to cease being innovators and assumed the role of imitators. Who knows what would have happened had the man lived.

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You guys honestly think Raymond Chow had Bruce killed?

:l!!

...A bit far fetched I guess to hear all this now. Who knows, really... I do remember when the 1993 Bruce Lee movie, DRAGON was being made, the makers apparently had problems with gangsters warning them not to film the movie. Incidentally, some of that movie was shot at Shaw Brothers studio. Not long after, of course, Brandon Lee would die in a "freak" accident.

:l!! :l!!!

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Raymond Chow is a manipulative businessman. He's not Don Corleone.

Would he film Bruce's funeral for a quick buck? Yes.

Would he have Bruce offed so he wouldn't make a movie for Shaw Bros? Come on!

Golden Harvest survived after Bruce's death just as they would've survived had he gone to Shaws.

Bruce was worth a lot more alive than dead and there's no reason to believe that Bruce wouldn't have continued to make movies with Concord.

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Raymond Chow is a manipulative businessman. He's not Don Corleone.

Keep on thinking that, MGW. Run Run and his brothers were Dons as well. They groomed Chow.

Would he film Bruce's funeral for a quick buck? Yes.

You bet. and Sleep with Lo Wei's wife as well.

Would he have Bruce offed so he wouldn't make a movie for Shaw Bros? Come on!

Lo Wei was going to have JC murdered by contract for refusing to finish Fearless Hyena II. Lee was a far more valuable commodity than JC during his time.

Golden Harvest survived after Bruce's death just as they would've survived had he gone to Shaws.

Not totally true. Lee wanted to take the bulk of the HK stuntmen with him to America, cleaning house. His greater ambition was to be a producer, and have his own co. in America. Working for Shaws at a salary and production cost for a feature GH could not match, could have meant the end for Chow... Not to mention tremendous loss of face, being it was he who gave Bruce his "shot". Lee was Box Office Gold, like what The Dark Knight was this year, with each subsequent film. A Shaw production would have been bigger than ETD. Look at all the people here who chat about what if...?

Bruce was worth a lot more alive than dead and there's no reason to believe that Bruce wouldn't have continued to make movies with Concord.

Still not totally true. Because he was still relatively new, if he did go away, Chow had the rights to his films, and any marketing with him would benefit GH Studios. Always remember, Jimmy Wang Yu is the example here. Chow made a tremendous amount off Lee's titled film, GOD, 6yrs after death!!! Japan paid for distribution a few years before the production resumed! Lee became Chow's foundation, however, there's no telling how much he made off the exploitation market, and the Triads made even more.

Concord never even got credit on ETD, when it was a co-production between Lee and Chow with Warner's. That was Chow's shrewd business dealing. Linda would have received the royalties before selling all interests in Concord to Chow if the credit was there, setting her and the kids up, bigtime.

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The rumors I heard about Bruce's Shaw photos have to do with a script that turned into The Rebellious Reign. One of the script writers was supposed to be Chang Cheh, funny enough he was not set to direct. Run Run Shaw wanted Cheng Kang to helm the film. I find this strange because after 1966 Chang Cheh directed most, if not all of his screenplays.

There have been so many rumors about Bruce's next project(s), it's difficult to say what he would of done if he wouldn't of died in July of '73. With the rise to fame he got from Enter the Dragon, no one can even be certain that he would of finished Game of Death. All that can be said is that he would of got what he wanted, acceptance in the American market and a much broader audience for future films.

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Keep on thinking that, MGW. Run Run and his brothers were Dons as well. They groomed Chow.

Ha-Ha! I guess someone made Bruce an offer he couldn't refuse?

You bet. and Sleep with Lo Wei's wife as well.

Last time I checked adultery wasn't exclusive to gangsters.

Lo Wei was going to have JC murdered by contract for refusing to finish Fearless Hyena II. Lee was a far more valuable commodity than JC during his time.

It wasn't Lo Wei who wanted Jackie dead. It was his Triad backers. Lo was stuck in the middle. If Jackie left it was his head too. Wang Yu sorted it so that both Jackie and Lo came out of it unscathed. Whether the Triads would've actually gone as far as to kill Jackie I've no idea - these threats of violence are common place. The shooting of Jet Li's manager was one of the very rare times something nasty did happen. Triads are scum but it's not in their interest to kill the people who make them money. If Bruce had been murdered A LOT of people would've been very unhappy.

Not totally true. Lee wanted to take the bulk of the HK stuntmen with him to America, cleaning house.

Where did you hear that? It's news to me. All we know is that Bruce CONSIDERED making a film for Shaws. Everything else is speculation and paranoid fan fantasy

Still not totally true. Because he was still relatively new, if he did go away, Chow had the rights to his films, and any marketing with him would benefit GH Studios.

Chow had the rights to The Big Boss and Fist of Fury regardless if Bruce was alive or dead. The rights to Way would presumably have been negotiated over with Bruce selling them out to Chow - that's IF he decided to sever all ties. Game of Death was shot - as has been said - with Golden Harvest equipment and resources. Chow would've had claim to that footage also. Of course Bruce wanted to return to the US. That's no secret. But the idea that Chow would've killed him over it is wildly unfounded speculation.

Always remember, Jimmy Wang Yu is the example here.

Wang Yu couldn't work in HK because he was contracted long-term to Shaws. They could've taken him to court if he shot anything in HK. I believe part of the agreement to disolve was he make movies exclusively in Taiwan. How long for - I don't know? But Wang desperately wanted away so he may have agreed to anything.

Concord never even got credit on ETD, when it was a co-production between Lee and Chow with Warner's.

Yes it did. A Warner Bros-Concord Production. See the title sequence. In association with Raymond Chow (that was his producers credit - since he didn't work on the production). Bruce did but never took any producer credit. The Americans had those sewn up.

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