Member The Dragon Posted April 6, 2008 Member Share Posted April 6, 2008 I'm not the biggest Chuck Norris fan, however, this movie needed more MA action. Well maybe not even more, but longer fight sequences, with all the talent available, I feel the audience was cheated. Richard Norton as the supreme Ninja deserved to strut a bit more. Comments? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member AlbertV Posted April 6, 2008 Member Share Posted April 6, 2008 It was not a bad Norris film, but the biggest problem IMO was that the fight scenes were shot in the dark, so it was really hard to see Norris in top form. The film was the debut of John Barrett (American Kickboxer) as an assassin. He was a former student of Norris' and today, he runs his own martial arts school and sometimes still acts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Chinatown Kid Posted April 6, 2008 Member Share Posted April 6, 2008 I actually thought this was one of Chuck's better movies with a cool theme, but the final fight between Chuck and Tadashi Yamashita was a letdown and way to short. My favorite Norris film would be Code of Silence followed by Lone Wolf McQuade. Although he never looked real impressive in most of his US productions fightwise, his fight with Bruce Lee in Way of the Dragon is one of my favorite fight scenes of all time. Chuck was no doubt a great martial artist and tournament champion legend like Joe Lewis. I also have great respect for Chuck not only for his MA accomplishments but also because he's one of the nicest people in the MA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member dragonherb Posted April 6, 2008 Member Share Posted April 6, 2008 Not sure how to comment this flick more than calling it a single-use flick, it didn't hurt to watch it once but I will leave it at that. I remember that in a documentary about this movie Richard Norton seemed very proud about a certain scene, he said that he would never reveal the secret about how he did.. whatever he did with a Sai or something 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member kingofkungfu2002 Posted April 6, 2008 Member Share Posted April 6, 2008 I remember Richard Norton saying that he was the guy inside most of the ninja suits in the finale 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Tosh Posted April 6, 2008 Member Share Posted April 6, 2008 I watched this movie around 50 times when I was younger, along with Forced Vengence and Lone Wolf McQuade(had these babies on beta!), it's been some years since I've watched it last, I'm sure it's not that great now but it will always be one of those beloved from my youth. I loved how his voice sounded when he was thinking to himself - Youryour your mymymymy brotherbrother brother:D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted April 7, 2008 Member Share Posted April 7, 2008 I can enjoy movies like that, for the 80's cheese factor! but the fight choreography is atrocious... you gotta admit that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member WalkOn Posted April 7, 2008 Member Share Posted April 7, 2008 One of my favorite Chuck Norris' films! I loved it back when it came out and still appreciate it today, still enjoyable. Chuck was one cool mofo! This film and A Force of One and Code of Silence are my all time favorite Chuck films. I've always enjoyed his films during his heyday. I agree with Chinatown Kid, he's a great guy outside of films and martial arts as well. A true humanitarian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Tosh Posted April 7, 2008 Member Share Posted April 7, 2008 I agree with Chinatown Kid, he's a great guy outside of films and martial arts as well. A true humanitarian. I love the fact ol' Chuck has a great sense of humor, even with all that internet ribbing he was taking he just rolled with it, even did a Mountian Dew commercial off it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member gravedigger666 Posted April 7, 2008 Member Share Posted April 7, 2008 Lone Wolf McQuade One of the worst endfights EVER:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Alex Posted April 8, 2008 Member Share Posted April 8, 2008 c'mon guys you don't watch Chuck movies for good fighting, you watch them for Chuck handing out indiscriminant amounts of whoopass I've seen most of Chuck's classics, and really the only good fight scene I remember aside from the one vs Bruce was the sequence in Delta Force 2 where Chuck takes out his anger on his platoon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member iron flag Posted April 8, 2008 Member Share Posted April 8, 2008 Just watched it recently. What I found annoying was how you'd always hear what Chuck Norris was thinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member The Dragon Posted April 9, 2008 Author Member Share Posted April 9, 2008 Why is it in all the American produced MA films, even with numerous Martial Artists, the action sucked? I mean couldn't they invent at least one scene to please audiences? The one thing I remember so well about The Octagon was the setting in the finale, I thought we were going to see an all-out no holds barred, action fest, instead we got Chuck Norris' famous spin kick, from several different angles, against the same stunt men. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member WalkOn Posted April 14, 2008 Member Share Posted April 14, 2008 I think up until the success of the US release of Rumble in the Bronx (or just a couple of years before that) "general" American audiences didn't appreciate the kung fu/Hong Kong or Asian fight choreography in American productions at all. As a matter of fact, most kung fu films and its choreography was considered laughable and not taken seriously. Jackie's breakthrough films (Project A/Pirate Patrol and A Police Story) couldn't get theatrical releases. But it was just a matter of time before they caught on and every fight scene had flips and Hong Kong style fights, on tv and the big screen! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Lung Wang Posted January 12, 2016 Member Share Posted January 12, 2016 I've actually always liked this film. The storyline was incredibly similar to Eric Van Lustbader's novel "The Ninja". I suspect the novel copied the film, rather than the other way around. The rich blonde woman in this movie (Karen Carlson) was ultra-annoying, but the brunette (Carol Bagdasarian) was totally gorgeous ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Kwok Choi Posted January 12, 2016 Member Share Posted January 12, 2016 8 hours ago, Lung Wang said: I've actually always liked this film. The storyline was incredibly similar to Eric Van Lustbader's novel "The Ninja". I suspect the novel copied the film, rather than the other way around. The rich blonde woman in this movie (Karen Carlson) was ultra-annoying, but the brunette (Carol Bagdasarian) was totally gorgeous ! Interesting! I couldn't really enjoy the movie that much because I had read the book which was astonishing!!! and I thought the movie copied the novel not the other way round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Secret Executioner Posted January 12, 2016 Member Share Posted January 12, 2016 Have this on DVD. Picked it up cause in my mind putting together Chuck Norris and Ninjas couldn't get wrong. Will watch it some time, maybe in a "double feature" with one of them Godfrey Ho Ninja films. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Lady Jin Szu-Yi Posted January 12, 2016 Member Share Posted January 12, 2016 Wasn't bad...I lumped Norris in with Stallone, Arnuld etc. back in the 80s so it's only recently that I can look at this from the martial arts perspective. Think I saw it in 2013. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted January 13, 2016 Member Share Posted January 13, 2016 16 hours ago, Secret Executioner said: Have this on DVD. Picked it up cause in my mind putting together Chuck Norris and Ninjas couldn't get wrong. Will watch it some time, maybe in a "double feature" with one of them Godfrey Ho Ninja films. It also has the bonus of having Lee Van Cleef & Richard Norton in the cast too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Frank Bolte Posted January 20, 2016 Member Share Posted January 20, 2016 Mc Quade might have a shitty end fight but it has the coolest soundtrack out of the whole lot of movies he did 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ShaOW!linDude Posted January 20, 2016 Member Share Posted January 20, 2016 I don't understand the comparisons between The Octagon and Eric Van Lustbader's novel "The Ninja". Neither's plot relates to the other in any way whatsoever. The only commonalities are that both came out in 1980 and have ninjas in them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Lung Wang Posted January 20, 2016 Member Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, ShaOW!linDude said: I don't understand the comparisons between The Octagon and Eric Van Lustbader's novel "The Ninja". Neither's plot relates to the other in any way whatsoever. The only commonalities are that both came out in 1980 and have ninjas in them. Hi ShaOW!linDude, Both stories have a non-Japanese hero/protagonist who was raised by a Japanese step-father, the hero was trained in Ninjutsu, he grows up with an evil Japanese step-brother who becomes a Ninja assassin, he also gets romantically involved with a woman named "Justine", and because of her father he gets involved and ends up fighting his former step-brother to the death (in the film, Justine's father was murdered by Ninja assassins, and in the book Justine's father is ABOUT to be murdered by a Ninja assassin). There's also the scene in both stories where he walks into the room and "senses" something's wrong before getting attacked. Lots of similarities. Thanks for your question. Edited January 20, 2016 by Lung Wang 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Kwok Choi Posted January 20, 2016 Member Share Posted January 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Lung Wang said: Hi ShaOW!linDude, Both stories have a non-Japanese hero/protagonist who was raised by a Japanese step-father, the hero was trained in Ninjutsu, he grows up with an evil Japanese step-brother who becomes a Ninja assassin, he also gets romantically involved with a woman named "Justine", and because of her father he gets involved and ends up fighting his former step-brother to the death (in the film, Justine's father was murdered by Ninja assassins, and in the book Justine's father is ABOUT to be murdered by a Ninja assassin). There's also the scene in both stories where he walks into the room and "senses" something's wrong before getting attacked. Lots of similarities. Thanks for your question. Yep...and I think American Samurai also piggy backed on the " Ninja " novel idea but not as close as The Octagon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Secret Executioner Posted January 20, 2016 Member Share Posted January 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Lung Wang said: Hi ShaOW!linDude, Both stories have a non-Japanese hero/protagonist who was raised by a Japanese step-father, the hero was trained in Ninjutsu, he grows up with an evil Japanese step-brother who becomes a Ninja assassin, he also gets romantically involved with a woman named "Justine", and because of her father he gets involved and ends up fighting his former step-brother to the death (in the film, Justine's father was murdered by Ninja assassins, and in the book Justine's father is ABOUT to be murdered by a Ninja assassin). There's also the scene in both stories where he walks into the room and "senses" something's wrong before getting attacked. Lots of similarities. Thanks for your question. So... Any movies with non-Japanese Ninjas fighting evil Ninjas and with relatives (in some way) getting attacked by said evil Ninjas can be compared to the novel ? Shit, there are a ton of movies out there that could work then - starting with the few (hundreds of) Ninja movies Godfrey Ho made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Kwok Choi Posted January 20, 2016 Member Share Posted January 20, 2016 41 minutes ago, Secret Executioner said: So... Any movies with non-Japanese Ninjas fighting evil Ninjas and with relatives (in some way) getting attacked by said evil Ninjas can be compared to the novel ? Shit, there are a ton of movies out there that could work then - starting with the few (hundreds of) Ninja movies Godfrey Ho made. Namely........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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