Member Morgoth Bauglir Posted October 14, 2008 Member Share Posted October 14, 2008 lol good post northern b. Well explained. I thought maybe you were still going to this vendor, and I wanted to steer you away. I'm only 25, so while I love these movies, I am still a bit of a beginner, even though I've been watching these movies for about 15 years. When I first started getting into kung fu movies after seeing a couple of oldschoolers on TV, I went to the video store and rented every kf movie I could find. Then I found this place at the mall that had an endless supply of bootleg tapes. $1 each, and I would buy at least 5 at a time. I would watch them and decide for myself what I thought of them. I never knew anybody else who liked these movies. I got a lot of people into these movies, but never found somebody who knew more than me, nobody that I could learn from. So because I never had any recommendations from anyone, I think that's a big reason why I don't get this whole overrated thing. Luckily I started going on the internet abotu 3 years ago and found that there are other people that know about kung fu movies. I started learning the actors names, finding good movies I had never heard of, and I have been in heaven ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Way of the Dragon Posted October 14, 2008 Member Share Posted October 14, 2008 Im sorry to go back to what people were saying a while back, but Bruce Lee is the best, he fights amazingly. You cant say he is over-rated. He is popular because he is THAT good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Way of the Dragon Posted October 15, 2008 Member Share Posted October 15, 2008 He also was very wise, I love his philosophy and teachings, they have inspired me and others all around the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member vengeanceofhumanlanterns Posted October 16, 2008 Member Share Posted October 16, 2008 Hwang Jang Lee had great charisma and presence. Perfect for a lead villian. The man deserved to star in better films simple as that. Kid From Kwangtung is his highest budget film I'm aware of. The silly cat possession style kinda spoiled what otherwise could've been an all time classic film. With a better hero than Wang Yu of course. Here it comes. LOL But really, Hwang Jang Lee deserved better films to play the roles of ultimate bad ass villan in. It's a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Morgoth Bauglir Posted October 16, 2008 Member Share Posted October 16, 2008 I agree. I thought Kid From Kwangtung was a really horrible movie, but definitely worth watching for Hwang Jang Lee and Yen Shi Kwan fans. And I don't really like to bash on these movies, but I can't leave this alone. I didn't like Kid from Kwangtung too much as a movie, but the ending left a very bad taste in my mouth. that has to be the most distasteful ending I have ever seen in a kung fu movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Bus Posted October 16, 2008 Member Share Posted October 16, 2008 Kid From Kwangtung dissappointed me a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jstn Posted October 17, 2008 Author Member Share Posted October 17, 2008 Well said, and you're definately right about versatility. I suppose the ultimate on screen martial artist would be someone well rounded in both upper and lower body, as well as weapon skill and ability to handle different sorts of action choreography. I do still believe though, that in his prime, Hwang Jang Lee was the best in what he did, and in the late 70s/early 80s, there were no actors who stood close to him when it came to delivering forceful and aesthetic kicks. Without a doubt, he has some incredible kicking ability. He always played a cool villian too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jstn Posted October 17, 2008 Author Member Share Posted October 17, 2008 I agree. I thought Kid From Kwangtung was a really horrible movie, but definitely worth watching for Hwang Jang Lee and Yen Shi Kwan fans. And I don't really like to bash on these movies, but I can't leave this alone. I didn't like Kid from Kwangtung too much as a movie, but the ending left a very bad taste in my mouth. that has to be the most distasteful ending I have ever seen in a kung fu movie. How did it end again? I saw that movie at one point, but can't remember what happened in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Morgoth Bauglir Posted October 17, 2008 Member Share Posted October 17, 2008 If you aren't paying full atention, you could easily miss it. It has to do with Yen Shi Kwan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jstn Posted October 18, 2008 Author Member Share Posted October 18, 2008 If you aren't paying full atention, you could easily miss it. It has to do with Yen Shi Kwan... I'll have to check it out later, see if i can pick it up : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Morgoth Bauglir Posted October 19, 2008 Member Share Posted October 19, 2008 You are probably better off not seeing it, but do what you want to do:p:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member jiujitsu77 Posted October 19, 2008 Member Share Posted October 19, 2008 overrated? well im straying from the bruce debate simply because i see both sides of the issue, however that does not deter me from thinking of how truly badass bruce was, and what a profound effect he had on me and millions of others. ok back to overrated. john liu. jimmy wang yu. david chiang. lo leih. but being overrated won't stop me from watching some of their best pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member GOLDEN DRAGON YIN-YANG Posted October 24, 2008 Member Share Posted October 24, 2008 BRUCE LEE MOST UNDERRATED. BULL MALARKY!!!!!!!! Had he LIVED and GONE to Shaw Brothers. My G-g who could have imagined the mix that Might have been revealed...... Poppycock to you WHOM++++++++ + don't know Mr. Lee?????????? GD Y-Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Gaijin84 Posted October 24, 2008 Member Share Posted October 24, 2008 Although I generally really like his films, David Chiang's martial arts skills are a bit lacking. I always felt there was too much editing in his fight scenes, and when there wasn't, he looked overmatched and somewhat stiff. Also, even though I don't really have a solid reason, I never enjoyed watching Meng Fei either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member The Dragon Posted December 18, 2008 Member Share Posted December 18, 2008 Lots of fun and great comments by everyone! Billy Chong? Cliff Lok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member soulborn Posted January 20, 2009 Member Share Posted January 20, 2009 Bruce Lee? Kidding... But you guys must admit that his onscreen fight scenes stand out as something out of the ordinary? I think Yuen Biao's fight vs Frankie Chan The Prodigal Son End Fight is up there but still the karisma is missing. Everyone talked about the new Bruce lee when Tony Ja showed up but i fell asleep by these Thai movies during Tom Yum Goong But i think the two guys from "The Rebel" Johnny Nguyen and Dustin Nguyen have more potential actor wise.. Well i don't like the snowball effect we often see when it concern Bruce Lee. It's like he turn more and more un human for each year that go by. This by pathetic collectors who have everything to earn about giving him Elvis status so they can make books or give like taste samples or bits and pieces of their lifelong hard earn collection. People get grumpy and penurious because they have some material that is rare or unique this is If people don't give them credit and almost worship them.. But still there is a a lot of old magazines and some unknown collectors around. which don't care that much about showing or giving away scans/copies of their material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member shaolin drunkard Posted January 20, 2009 Member Share Posted January 20, 2009 Bruce Lee? Kidding... But you guys must admit that his onscreen fight scenes stand out as something out of the ordinary? No disagreement there.Men just stand there waiting to be punched or kicked by bruce.In big boss situation was not that bad but movie by movie bruce grew to be superhuman.Lack of great one to one fights make me feel his movies are far too overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Drunken Monk Posted January 20, 2009 Member Share Posted January 20, 2009 Had he LIVED and GONE to Shaw Brothers. If my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member The Dragon Posted January 21, 2009 Member Share Posted January 21, 2009 You two Drunks got a bloody cheek! :l Men have stood around to be punched in a lot of films-before Lee... and definetly after! If others during his era, prior to his death had challenged themselves creatively, I'm certain even he would have to up the ante on his choreography. He was around for such a short time, it's almost unfair to judge an incomplete career, HK-wise. Imagine he working with the likes of Pops or Tang Chia, performing shapes, using traditional weapons, etc. Just thinking about it gives me chills, for certain. In the end, Lee would have excelled as a baddie... He had far too much charisma/energy for that to not been his greatest asset. Like Beardy, an athletic performer, very convincing in whatever the choreographer lead him to do, Lee could have done good business there. Rebellious Reign could have been a classic, with Chang Cheh directing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Drunken Monk Posted January 21, 2009 Member Share Posted January 21, 2009 You two Drunks got a bloody cheek! :l Men have stood around to be punched in a lot of films-before Lee... and definetly after! If others during his era, prior to his death had challenged themselves creatively, I'm certain even he would have to up the ante on his choreography. He was around for such a short time, it's almost unfair to judge an incomplete career, HK-wise. Imagine he working with the likes of Pops or Tang Chia, performing shapes, using traditional weapons, etc. Just thinking about it gives me chills, for certain. In the end, Lee would have excelled as a baddie... He had far too much charisma/energy for that to not been his greatest asset. Like Beardy, an athletic performer, very convincing in whatever the choreographer lead him to do, Lee could have done good business there. Rebellious Reign could have been a classic, with Chang Cheh directing. That’s like saying, “Imagine Blood Sport if Van Damme wasn’t in it and, instead, it was Donnie Yen and his opponents were played by Jackie Chan, Yuen Biao, Sammo Hung, Jet Li, Gordon Liu, The Venoms, Hwang Jang Lee and Lau Kar Leung with Yuen Woo Ping directing and Zhang Ziyi doing ass to mouth halfway through it.” It didn’t happen, did it? Those who criticize Bruce Lee, do so based on what we have as evidence…his movies. The man was talented. Incredibly so. I, personally, just feel that the material he put out is overrated and he, in those movies, is also overly praised. That’s not to say I don’t think he didn’t have potential. I’m sure he would have gone on to do incredible things. He contributed a lot to the genre. Sadly, though, we won’t ever know what he could have done and, in my eyes, we’re left with mostly mediocre stuff (bar some outstanding moments). I do understand, however, that Bruce Lee fans are die hard. For example, try telling one of those girly teeny boppers with the black eye liner and Vampire Weekend album collection that “Twilight” is shit. They’ll claw your eyes out. The same goes for Bruce Lee fans. They’ll never be convinced otherwise. I consider myself an admirer of Bruce Lee, the man, but I’m just not overly impressed with his movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jstn Posted January 21, 2009 Author Member Share Posted January 21, 2009 That’s like saying, “Imagine Blood Sport if Van Damme wasn’t in it and, instead, it was Donnie Yen and his opponents were played by Jackie Chan, Yuen Biao, Sammo Hung, Jet Li, Gordon Liu, The Venoms, Hwang Jang Lee and Lau Kar Leung with Yuen Woo Ping directing and Zhang Ziyi doing ass to mouth halfway through it.” It didn’t happen, did it? Those who criticize Bruce Lee, do so based on what we have as evidence…his movies. The man was talented. Incredibly so. I, personally, just feel that the material he put out is overrated and he, in those movies, is also overly praised. That’s not to say I don’t think he didn’t have potential. I’m sure he would have gone on to do incredible things. He contributed a lot to the genre. Sadly, though, we won’t ever know what he could have done and, in my eyes, we’re left with mostly mediocre stuff (bar some outstanding moments). I do understand, however, that Bruce Lee fans are die hard. For example, try telling one of those girly teeny boppers with the black eye liner and Vampire Weekend album collection that “Twilight” is shit. They’ll claw your eyes out. The same goes for Bruce Lee fans. They’ll never be convinced otherwise. I consider myself an admirer of Bruce Lee, the man, but I’m just not overly impressed with his movies. Point very well made; Bruce Lee was an phenomenal martial arts practicioner, regardless of the quality of his movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member The Dragon Posted January 21, 2009 Member Share Posted January 21, 2009 Well... AAALLLLRRRRIIIGGGHHHTTTYYY THEN! so what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Chinatown Kid Posted January 22, 2009 Member Share Posted January 22, 2009 Billy Chong overrated? What chu been smokin Dragon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator KUNG FU BOB Posted January 22, 2009 Administrator Share Posted January 22, 2009 Billy Chong? what What WHAT?! You know Billy coulda taken Bruce- right? XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Tosh Posted January 22, 2009 Member Share Posted January 22, 2009 XD Damn that's some funny stuff I've read on here for a long time, thank god a few haven't lost their sense of humor on this site. XDFrom the naked pics I seen of Zhang Ziyi on the beach I think it's her boyfriend that likes ass to mouth. David Chiang, even though I like him, is definetly overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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