Member falkor Posted January 24, 2008 Member Share Posted January 24, 2008 Please list: 1) Title of a movie 2) Name of fighting style(s) used 3) Year Of Completion or Year Of Release (must be 1974-1975). The List 1973 - Breakout From Oppression (Tiger) 1973 - Men From The Monastery (Dragon, Snake, Leopard performed by Chi Kuan Chun) 1973 - Heroes Two (Tiger and Crane performed by Chen Kuan Tai and Fu Sheng) 1974 - Shaolin Martial Arts (Eagle's Claw, Tiger and Crane) 1974 - Five Shaolin Masters (Tiger and Crane, 5 animal styles, mantis) 1974 - Monkey Fist (Monkey) 1975 - The Secret Rivals (Crane) 1975 - The Ming Patriots (Mantis) Are any of these Shapes? Which style is used? 1974 - Call Me Dragon 1974 - Big Brother 1974 - Bravest Fist 1974 - "Valley of the Dragon" 1974 - Four Real Friends 1974 - "Chinese Godfather" 1974 - Death Player 1974 - Vagabond Hustlers 1974 - Tiger Jungle 1974 - Chinese Kung Fu Against Godfather 1974 - Left Hand of Death 1974 - Paris Killers 1974 - Furious Monk From Shaolin 1974 - Godfather From Hong Kong 1974 - Sleeping Dragon 1974 - Kung Fu 10th Dan 1974 - Kidnap in Rome 1974 - Valiant Ones 1974 - Ghost Of the Mirror 1974 - Blood Reincarnation THE CRAZY NUTS OF KUNG FU HEROES TWO THE KILLER SNAKES THE SAVAGE FIVE THE SINFUL ADULTERESS (VCD) THE SHADOW BOXER MEN FROM THE MONASTERY THE DRUG ADDICT RIVALS OF KUNG FU FRIENDS SHAO LIN MARTIAL ARTS YOUNG LOVERS ON FLYING WHEELS NA CHA THE GREAT THE TEAHOUSE FIVE TOUGH GUYS KIDNAP FIVE SHAOLIN MASTERS 1975 - Little Superman 1975 - Thou Shall Not Kill But Once 1975 - Sunset in the Forbidden City 1975 - Martyrs 1975 - Hong Kong Superman 1975 - Golden Triangle 1975 - Magic Curse 1975 - Fairy Fox 1975 - "Monster From the Sea" (Meng Fei) 1975 - Master of the Flying Guillotine 1975 - Ming Patriots 1975 - The Delivery 1975 - Assassin 1975 - Sea Gods And Ghost 1975 - Female Fugitive 1975 - Mutiny on the High Sea 1975 - Tiger Force 1975 - All In The Family 1975 - Evidence THE FLYING GUILLOTINE THE NEW GAME OF DEATH** THE GAMBLING SYNDICATE ALL MEN ARE BROTHERS RETURN OF THE CRAZY BUMPKIN (VCD) LADY OF THE LAW DISCIPLES OF SHAOLIN MY BEWITCHED WIFE BIG BROTHER CHENG SUPER INFRAMAN THE IMPOSTER THE FANTASTIC MAGIC BABY THE BIG HOLDUP BLACK MAGIC THIEF OF THIEVES THE BLOODY ESCAPE THE SPIRITUAL BOXER THE GOLDEN LION MARCO POLO THE PROTECTORS* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member rdenn Posted January 27, 2008 Member Share Posted January 27, 2008 thats a good list falkor but litte superman is not really shapes thats a pure basher with boot & hate , i would add Chan Sau Chung monkey fist movie that is 1974, and most of the films pops did the action for around that time are all shapes based you have listed most of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member falkor Posted January 27, 2008 Author Member Share Posted January 27, 2008 Thanks! Do you know what styles are used in Heroes Two, Shaolin Martial Arts and 5 Shaolin Masters? It's been a while since I saw them last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member tai_shin_mun Posted January 27, 2008 Member Share Posted January 27, 2008 Heroes Two-been awhile for me too,10+ years...CKT - Tiger,Fu Sheng - Crane.Main villain-Goose Palm,4 his henchmen- Tibetan White Crane 5 Shaolin Masters(another 10+ years movie);Fu Sheng-Tiger&Crane,Chi Kuan Chun-Shao~Lin 10 Animals&His opponent-Praying Mantis Someone correct possible errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member falkor Posted January 27, 2008 Author Member Share Posted January 27, 2008 Thanks! That's 4 confirmed shapes movies on the list now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Member tantao3-son of tantao2 Posted November 20, 2008 Member Share Posted November 20, 2008 ...Heroes Two was made and finished in 1973. Released in Janury 1974. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member falkor Posted November 20, 2008 Author Member Share Posted November 20, 2008 Yep, and that was probably the first shapes, so all others should come 74-75. After that, shapes was well established. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Gaijin84 Posted November 20, 2008 Member Share Posted November 20, 2008 please excuse my ignorance ... shapes = styles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member falkor Posted November 20, 2008 Author Member Share Posted November 20, 2008 please excuse my ignorance ... shapes = styles? If you agree that that is the main difference between Kung Fu Movie output of the early 70s vs. late 70s (Bashers vs. Shapes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted November 20, 2008 Member Share Posted November 20, 2008 please excuse my ignorance ... shapes = styles? Not exactly, but almost. It has more to do with the way the specific styles are displayed. Intricate choreo (in old school kf movies) like you see from movies from the mid 70's and up is what I would consider shapes. But take for an example THE CHINESE BOXER where Wang Yu uses the iron fist against Lo Lieh's karate. Those are different 'styles' but not shapes. That is a basher movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member falkor Posted November 20, 2008 Author Member Share Posted November 20, 2008 Not exactly, but almost. It has more to do with the way the specific styles are displayed. Intricate choreo (in old school kf movies) like you see from movies from the mid 70's and up is what I would consider shapes. But take for an example THE CHINESE BOXER where Wang Yu uses the iron fist against Lo Lieh's karate. Those are different 'styles' but not shapes. That is a basher movie. You got it... basically, its the difference between kung fu styles vs. animal styles coupled with basic choreography vs. advanced choreography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Gaijin84 Posted November 20, 2008 Member Share Posted November 20, 2008 thanks! that makes about 1000 posts more understandable now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member falkor Posted November 20, 2008 Author Member Share Posted November 20, 2008 thanks! that makes about 1000 posts more understandable now We need a kung dictionary, otherwise when all the fans die out (kung fu movies are already considered dead), future historians will need a rosetta stone to understand what we are all writing about here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member HyperDrive Posted November 21, 2008 Member Share Posted November 21, 2008 Call Me Dragon is bruceploitation with Bruce Liang and Yasuaki Kurata. It's most likely a basher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member falkor Posted November 21, 2008 Author Member Share Posted November 21, 2008 Yeah, we need to find out more shapes films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Gaijin84 Posted November 21, 2008 Member Share Posted November 21, 2008 so another question here... i just finished seeing Breakout from Oppression, that early Gordon Liu movie. The style he uses throughout the film looks to be Hung Gar, but the fights weren't really choreographed as intricately (IMHO) as ones later done by Lau Kar Leung. Would that still be looked at as a basher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member falkor Posted November 21, 2008 Author Member Share Posted November 21, 2008 This is the problem. LKL is the man who pioneered shapes with Heroes Two, but may have featured Hung Gar in earlier productions like Breakout From Oppression, as currently being discussed in my Men From The Monastery topic over in the Shaw Brothers section. To me, a shapes film is one that features advanced kung fu styles after the period when animal styles became common and choreography got better. Its not really possible to provide a strict definition of bashers vs. shapes. I realised this a few years back when re-designing the database for rarekungfumovies.com and decided to drop certain genres and annex others into a single "Martial Arts" genre. Likewise, certain Swordplay films feature hand-to-hand fights, so cannot be labelled as just Swordplay or Kung Fu. The first modern day kung fu movie shot in colour can be attributed, with some certainty, to From The Highway (1969). However, a more fascinating topic, the subject of these recent discussions here, is the transition from "basher" to "shapes". To understand it properly we need to build up a much larger list of early shapes films. Kung Fu movies from 1973-1975 including, not just Shaw Brothers productions, need to be analysed. There may well have been the odd movie that featured animal styles before Heroes Two. I'll certainly be on the lookout for any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member silver hermit Posted November 21, 2008 Member Share Posted November 21, 2008 thats interesting, i have thought about this myself. it always seemed to me that martial arts films try to present the most popular martial art at the time. in the 60's and 70's karate was the most popular then it seemed liked bruce lee started a very big interest in chinese kung fu. then in the 90's there was the kickboxing craze. i'm just not sure if its a case of art imitating life or life imitating art. we can only theorize now but it would be a good question to ask in an interview for someone thats done it all like sammo or jackie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member falkor Posted November 21, 2008 Author Member Share Posted November 21, 2008 True, but if I was going to rank a film in terms of entertainment value or choose something to show a newbie with no experience of this specialised genre then I wouldn't pick something from the 90s or indeed the early 70s; I would pick something from 1978/1979, the golden years of martial arts movies. To me, shapes movies stand out from all other sub-genres. However, there is a certain group of Swiss and German amigos I know of who prefer bashers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member falkor Posted November 21, 2008 Author Member Share Posted November 21, 2008 This might help: 1975 Kung fu Stars Flying Guillotine The Valiant Ones The Dragon Tamers The Red Tasseled Sword Bloody Money Lady of the Law The Crazy Group Hong Kong Superman Disciples of Shaolin Thou Shall Not Kill...But Once The Imposter The Young Dragons The Fantastic Magic Baby The Spiritual Boxer The Golden Lion Marco Polo The Thundering Mantis Iron Man 18 Shaolin Disciples The Monk Female Chivalry The Fighting Dragon Filial Son Heroes in the Late Ming Dynasty Conspiracy The Death Player Boxer Rebellion The Silent Guest From Peking Bruce, Kung Fu Girls Tiger, Tiger, Tiger Goodbye Bruce Lee: His Last Game of Death Chinese Superior Kung Fu MAjesty Cat Chinese Goliath MAn On Police Gazette Born Of Fire Tigers At Top Bruce Lee Against Supermen Fierce Among Strong AKA Deadly Kicks in the Snake's Shadow Dragon Fury Desperate Avenger Judicial Sword The Crazy Guy Gambling For Head Sharp Fists In Kung Fu Heroine 1974 The Tiger Jump Fury In Storm The Iron Profligates Kung Fu 10th Dan Rickshaw Puller Deadly Fists Kung Fu Revenge is Sweet Death Trap Son of Yellow Dragon On the Black Street Big Brother Valley of the Double Dragon Desperate Crisis Dragon Den Dragon and Tiger Little Hero on the Run Tough Guy The Evil Snake Girl Heinous Fiend The Owl Magnificent 2 The Fearless Golden Dragon Trail of the Dragon The Escaped Convict Dog King and Snake King Crazy Nuts of Kung Fu Village of Tigers Brothers Two Bloody Ring The Skyhawk Manchu Boxer The Killer Snakes Savage Five Empress Dowager's Agate Vase Martial Arts The Shadow Boxer The Crazy Instructor The Drug Addict Rivals of Kung Fu The Dumb Ox Supremo The Shaolin Boxer Little Godfather From Hong Kong Chinese Godfather Whiplash Stoner Yellow Faced Tiger Monkey Fist Young Lovers on Flying Wheels The Tournament Lucky, Lucky Five Tough Guys The Furious Monk From Shaolin Call Me Dragon Two Dragons Fight Against Tiger Land of the Brave Excelsior The Black Dragon's Revenge They Call Him Mr Shatter Tornado Of Pearl River Crazy Acrobat The Iron Man Chase Step By Step Thunderclap Chinese Kung Fu File Of Heroes The Peking Man The Brave Lion Fists For Revenge Dragon Blows The Big Risk The Tongfather Single Fighter Iron ox, the Tiger's Killer Way of the Black Dragon Chinese Tiger Kung Fu on the Bosporus Tiger From China Challenge of the Dragon Dragon Fury The Big Showdown Bamboo Brotherhood Fighting Duel of Death The Blind Swordsman's Revenge Chinese Boxing Sleeping Dragon Tiger From Hong Kong Blood Revenge 1973 Ferocious To Ferocious AKA Flash Challenger Chinese Kung Fu and Acupuncture Ever Victorious Hall The Dragon and Tiger Joint Hands Black Guide Duel Of The Dragons Tiger Boxer Strong Eastman Kung Fu Brothers in the Wild West That Man From Singapore Iron Punch Contest Chinese Kung Fu Furious Dragon Beauty Heroine The Tormentor Trust and Brotherhood Rage of the Wind Call To Arms Ambush The Thunderbolt Fist A Man Called Tiger The Champion Eagle Shadow Fist Hero of Waterfront The Delinquent Devil and Angel The Blood Brothers Fist Of Unicorn A Gathering Of Heroes The Private Eye Tiger Imperial Tomb Raiders The Awaken Punch Death Comes In Three The Boxers River Of Fury None But The Brave Win Them All Beach Of the War Gods The Two Cavaliers The Pirate The Black Belt Thunderbolt Death on the Docks Enter the Dragon The Master Of Kung Fu When Taekwondo Strikes Black Panther The Fate Of Lee Khan The Iron Bodyguard He Walks Like A Tiger The Tattooed Dragon Gold Snatchers Knight Errant All Men Are Brothers Murder Masters Of Kung Fu The Young Tiger Iron Bull Ghostly Face The Black Dragon Fist of Shaolin The Karate Killers Mean Streets Of Kung Fu Cub Tiger from KWantung The Angry Dragon The Brothers Return of the Assassin One By One Impetuous Fire Kung Fu Mama The Angry Hero The Two Tigers The Furious Killer Fist to Fist AKA Fist of the Double K Seven Indignant Chinese Hercules Infernal Street Angry Tiger The Mandarin The Fists Of Vengeance Rotary Kicks Greatest Thai Boxing Man On Police Gazette On The Verge Of Death Heroine Susan, the Sister of the Shantung Boxer The Way of the Tiger The Chinese Dragon Invincible Boxer Gambling For Gold Heroes of Sung Soul of Chiba Chu Chow Kung Fu Kung Fu Inferno Kung Fu King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Member falkor Posted November 22, 2008 Author Member Share Posted November 22, 2008 Chan Siu Pang based films anyone? He gave us Monkey Fist before LKL! Death Comes in Three (1973) The Virgin Mart (1974) Tiger's Claw (1974) Chinese Kung Fu Against Godfather (1974) Chinese Godfather (1974) Thou Shall Not Kill ... But Once (1975) Tommy Lee anyone? He choreographed Secret Rivals. A Gathering of Heroes (1973) The Brothers (1973) Rage of the Wind (1973) Black Panther (1973) The Rangers (1974) The Dumb Ox (1974) Four Real Friends (1974) The Silent Guest from Peking (1975) The Golden Triangle (1975) I've updated the main list with Shaw brothers, but we need more independents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted November 22, 2008 Member Share Posted November 22, 2008 Iron Palm/Fist is a training "Technique" - NOT a "Style". Certain Kung Fu "styles" use this as a part of their "Advanced" training - usually, their "Highest" form of (Hand) training. It was often kept away from most and regarded as a "secret" technique.... They'd say "Fist" in films, yet they'd almost, always use their PALMS - which are "stronger" than the fists. bjv I just used the word 'style' to get my point across! Could have just said Kung Fu style vs Karate, or any other thing. Was just explaining it as crudely as I could! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member silver hermit Posted November 23, 2008 Member Share Posted November 23, 2008 True, but if I was going to rank a film in terms of entertainment value or choose something to show a newbie with no experience of this specialised genre then I wouldn't pick something from the 90s or indeed the early 70s; I would pick something from 1978/1979, the golden years of martial arts movies. To me, shapes movies stand out from all other sub-genres. However, there is a certain group of Swiss and German amigos I know of who prefer bashers. i agree with you there, shapes films are the best for newbies outside of the bruce/jackie films. kung fu is an aquired taste but i think the venoms films are the best for newbies. they have comedy tons of action and the stories are not complex and easy to follow. thats consistant with the shapes from 1978 and beyond. the thing that killed the shapes is they got so mindless and happy go lucky, bashers have good hate and can't be outdone in that way but there are 5 star movies from every genre. something like fist of legend can grab a newbies attention as well as the foolery is kept to a minimum. big up everyone keeping the genre alive long live the kung! i need a basher education and i think most of the lost films are of that genre you should start a basher thread so us newbies can unearth some relics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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