Member ben Posted December 26, 2007 Member Share Posted December 26, 2007 this is going to be a bit of a strange enquiry but hopefully somebody can help me out. excluding "Fist of Fury" and all the associated 'sequels', "The Chinese Boxer" and "King Boxer", can anyone advise of any other films which are based on conflicts between chinese/kung fu martial arts and japanese/karate schools, whether it is about one system being more superior over the other, or more of a personal film based on students from one of the schools who is seeking honor or revenge or anything like that? need some assistance for a project. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ironfistedmonk Posted December 26, 2007 Member Share Posted December 26, 2007 The obvious one is Heroes of the East, wall to wall chinese vs japanese styles and a great movie too, very highly recommended. Jimmy Wang Yu made alot of movies matching himself up against the Japanese but I'm not his biggest fan and can't for the life of me remember the titles of these films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Iron_Jinon Posted December 26, 2007 Member Share Posted December 26, 2007 I guess there must be loads by indie companies...rite now I remember at least"bloody fists","two fists vs seven samurais" and "japanese connection"...has been long time since I saw those but I recall none of them were good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member peringaten Posted December 26, 2007 Member Share Posted December 26, 2007 Beach Of The War Gods is a good Jimmy Wang Yu one. IIRC Hapkido and When Taekwando Strikes are good Korean/Taiwan based vs Japanese flicks. Legend Of A Fighter springs to mind, without having seen in a while, sure Kurata's playing native there. These next couple/few are after the basher boom, which you might possibly be looking for, them old karate chopping flicks - I don't know, but still, Duel To The Death. Ninjas & Dragons, come to mind for wire-y antics. Also Bastard Swordsman Part 2, My Rebellious Son, 5 Element Ninja, Thunderbolt Fist, 7 Man Army, 5 Tough Guys (got that big Judo dude from Heroes Of The East in it), some Shaw flicks based Chinese vs Japanese, sporting usually the typical HK, etc. guys playing Japanese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Endsang Posted December 26, 2007 Member Share Posted December 26, 2007 There's also Ninja in the Dragon's den, but it is more like a personal vengeance thing between japanese, where the chinese gets stuck in the middle of it. Alot of honor involved from the ninja. Also the others mentioned, especially Heroes of the East and Legend of a Fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member edher_M.A. Posted December 26, 2007 Member Share Posted December 26, 2007 Heroes of the East. It goes beyond the classic revenge plot. They actually discuss the diferences between the chinese and japanese styles, match similar weapons,etc.. and the japanese martial artists are actually japanese, not chinese playing the roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Morgoth Bauglir Posted December 27, 2007 Member Share Posted December 27, 2007 One Armed Boxer is a must see. It is one of Jimmy Wang Yu's best performances. The end fight is a crazy one between him and Lung Fei who plays a Japanese. He also fights a Yoga dude, 2 Tibetan Lamas, 2 Thai Kickboxers, a Judo guy, a Karate guy, and Lung Fei's 2 Japanese students. Easily one of the best kung fu movies ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ben Posted December 27, 2007 Author Member Share Posted December 27, 2007 I want to thank all of you for taking the time to respond and help me out, I really appreciate it alot. this is a great help. "One Armed Boxer" was a film I was personally interested to see for a long time, I'll get an order in for that online today if i can, and check out some of the others that have been suggested. "Legend of a fighter" is a film that has been sitting on the shelf of the DVD store I go to for many many months now. i will definitely go and pick that up next time i am in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member venoms5 Posted December 27, 2007 Member Share Posted December 27, 2007 NINJA IN THE DEADLY TRAP KNIGHT ERRANT Countless Robert Tai/Alexander Lou flicks like... NINJA VS SHAOLIN GUARD SHAOLIN VS NINJA NINJA: THE FINAL DUEL MAFIA VS NINJA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Chinatown Kid Posted December 27, 2007 Member Share Posted December 27, 2007 Rage of Wind and Kung Fu: The Invisible Fist are two early 70's bashers starring Chen Sing which pits Kung Fu vs Karate. Kurata plays the villian in both films. The Bloody Fists is another early 70's basher starring Chen Sing as hero and Chen Kuan Tai plays the Japanese villian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Knockabout Posted December 28, 2007 Member Share Posted December 28, 2007 Duel of the 7 tigers (aka. Shadow of the tiger).. Karate vs different chinese styles (wing chun, hung gar, monkey fist, etc). The stars of the movie are all real time masters of the style they use in the movie. 800 heroes.. a movie about the japanse invasion of shanghai. This is, however, a war movie, not a kung fu movie, since there's no actual martial arts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ben Posted December 28, 2007 Author Member Share Posted December 28, 2007 Thanks alot for the continued suggestions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member The Dragon Posted July 15, 2009 Member Share Posted July 15, 2009 More titles to add: The Invincible Iron Palm Rage of Wind The Bloody Fight Lady Whirlwind Triangular Duel Chinese Iron Man Fists of Vengeance Kung Fu Superman The King Boxer (Meng Fei) All of these films had the Chinese vs Japanese Kung Fu/Karate themes at the heart of their conflicts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member BlurayStation3 Posted July 30, 2009 Member Share Posted July 30, 2009 Thanks for the recommendations. I just finished watching Heroes of the East; very awesome. This is the first Gordon Liu/Shaw Brothers film I've ever seen. Which other ones are as good as this? I'm looking for ones with actual Japanese or Korean martial artists facing Chinese martial artists, and where the non-Chinese characters aren't just portrayed as evil/one sided. I saw Hapkido but didn't really enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator KUNG FU BOB Posted July 30, 2009 Administrator Share Posted July 30, 2009 Thanks for the recommendations. I just finished watching Heroes of the East; very awesome. This is the first Gordon Liu/Shaw Brothers film I've ever seen. Which other ones are as good as this? I'm looking for ones with actual Japanese or Korean martial artists facing Chinese martial artists, and where the non-Chinese characters aren't just portrayed as evil/one sided. Actually this portrayal of the Japanese as multi-dimensional people as opposed to shallow monsters was extremely unique for it's time. Of course it's no surprise that the maestro Lau Sifu would once again be the innovator of new ideas in kung fu cinema. Typically what you're going to find in kung fu cinema are one dimensional portrayals of the Japanese as beasts. In Jimmy Wang Yu's early films they are especially devilish, at times even appearing with fangs! The couple that come to mind that have at least a few, more fleshed out portrayals are FIST OF LEGEND and LEGEND OF A FIGHTER. Right now that's all I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member kungfusamurai Posted August 2, 2009 Member Share Posted August 2, 2009 Many will disagree with me, but I still found the Japanese characters in Heroes Of The East to be one dimensional. They came across as being either ruthless or crafty or so blinded by honour they didn't care about the truth until Gordon Liu's character 'taught' them through defeat that they were not superior martial artists. At least, that's my interpretation of Heroes Of The East. Still it's a great movie to watch, but I think in the contest of samurai sword vs chinese sword, the samurai would have won. KFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member AbeRudder Posted August 2, 2009 Member Share Posted August 2, 2009 Thanks for the recommendations. I just finished watching Heroes of the East; very awesome. This is the first Gordon Liu/Shaw Brothers film I've ever seen. Which other ones are as good as this? I'm looking for ones with actual Japanese or Korean martial artists facing Chinese martial artists, and where the non-Chinese characters aren't just portrayed as evil/one sided. I saw Hapkido but didn't really enjoy it. Fearless and Ninja in the Dragons Den as well as the two Kung Fu Bob mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Fightingfist Posted August 2, 2009 Member Share Posted August 2, 2009 Might watch fearless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member AbeRudder Posted August 2, 2009 Member Share Posted August 2, 2009 Might watch fearless. Its a great film i reckon, some annoying wirework at points but overall its good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator KUNG FU BOB Posted August 2, 2009 Administrator Share Posted August 2, 2009 Many will disagree with me, but I still found the Japanese characters in Heroes Of The East to be one dimensional. They came across as being either ruthless or crafty or so blinded by honour they didn't care about the truth until Gordon Liu's character 'taught' them through defeat that they were not superior martial artists. At least, that's my interpretation of Heroes Of The East. Still it's a great movie to watch, but I think in the contest of samurai sword vs chinese sword, the samurai would have won. KFS I totally hear what you're saying. But consider the multi-faceted character of Gordon's wife in the film- she's Japanese. And the other characters have been insulted, and are pissed, so there's not a lot of room for character development for them within the context of the story. Still, it's a long way from Wang Yu's growling, animal-like villians. And yes, I'm afraid that katana would have been the last flash of steel our favorite Master Killer ever saw! LOL Might watch fearless. I love this movie. Easily one of Jet's best, with a powerful story, terrific production values, and exciting fights. Its a great film i reckon, some annoying wirework at points but overall its good stuff. I agree, the wirework is it's only stumbling block for me too. But it's nothing like the wire crazy FONG SAI YUK[ films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member kungfusamurai Posted August 2, 2009 Member Share Posted August 2, 2009 I totally hear what you're saying. But consider the multi-faceted character of Gordon's wife in the film- she's Japanese. And the other characters have been insulted, and are pissed, so there's not a lot of room for character development for them within the context of the story. Still, it's a long way from Wang Yu's growling, animal-like villians. And yes, I'm afraid that katana would have been the last flash of steel our favorite Master Killer ever saw I hear ya. I guess it was a stepping point to better portrayals in Chinese cinema. At least they got the costumes right. So many of those earlier films showing Japanese have them wearing wrong clothing, and the weapons don't look authentic like in Heroes. The same could be said of Japanese cinema portraying Chinese people. I always found it funny the sound of mandarin or cantonese being spoken in a strong Japanese accent, like in the Sister Streetfighter films, or in Shogun's Ninja. KFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member KyFi Posted August 3, 2009 Member Share Posted August 3, 2009 At least, that's my interpretation of Heroes Of The East. Still it's a great movie to watch, but I think in the contest of samurai sword vs chinese sword, the samurai would have won. KFS Nah, the katana's just had better PR over the years---the jian was a good match for it any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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