Guest Endsang Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 There's not alot of info about him out there.. All I've read is that he was trained in hung kuen, and was discovered by Chang Cheh for his work as a stuntman in a couple of Shaw movies at the same time as the other venoms. He left Shaw (after KWTGA I think) for Golden Harvest, but apparently his career didn't take off there either. After that I think he only did a cameo in Hard boiled, and that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cesare Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 What Endsang wrote. BTW - was that late 1980s movie, The Devil and the Ghostbuster, a Golden Harvest production or not? Oh. And he was in some ATV series... No idea how many or how few. He did at least this one (4 Constables Return): http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_cf00XMzEwODc2OA==.html (Got the link at Wuxiasociety forum.) This, plus the movies at Golden Harvest and that very brief appearance in Hard Boiled... That's about it, I think. Pity. I've seen worse actors having longer careers...:-] he never really fit in with the Venoms and looked a bit displaced Does make some sense, though I got to wonder to what extent the retrospective view of Wai Pak as the "guy who left after KWTGA" influenced the fans' opinion. It's a pure speculation, though... My first Venom movie was 5DV (and I watched it totally unaware of this fandom thing and fannish discourse...) - and in that one he seemed to fit in just right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Morgoth Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 To me Wei Pei's snake style looked a bit weak when compared to a movie like Snake Deadly Act. And look at his fight with Fung Hak-on in Last Hurrah for Chivalry. I thought it looked like Wei Pei had a hard time keeping up. He is good, just not one of my favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cesare Posted November 18, 2007 Share Posted November 18, 2007 Yeah, Fung Hak-On definitely looked like better sword fighter (most probably because he is ) - but Wai was very ellegant (and pretty good) with that sabre. As for Snake - the style itself doesn't impress me that much either, after having seen a few more movies. (Though it does look really cool - well, as far as I'm concerned... Show me anything even distantly reminiscent of eagle claw and you get my vote...;-)) And I simply fell for that "character development" trick. And the flashy garb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kungfood Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Actually, Lo Meng had an appearance in a terrible movie, Anna in Kung Fu Land. That came out a few years ago and was a total waste of his talent. My favorite venom was the scorpion, Sun Chien. Plus, I always liked the way he could play his characters but in an understated way. He could be the evil, underhanded villain who plays everyone off against each other, then works to pick off whoever's left (5 Venoms, Kid with the Golden Arm, etc.). He could also play the studious bookworm (Chinatown Kid), the quiet hero (Crippled Avengers, Invincible Shaolin, etc.). Unfortunately, he was often an early victim (Magnificent Ruffians, 2 Champions of Shaolin, etc.). Oddly enough, there was one minor Chang Cheh performer who seemed made to order for Sun, and was his kick victim in at least 3 movies, in Invincible Shaolin, Crippled Avengers, and Killer Army. I don't know his name, but he's the large muscular guy who usually portrayed a strongman. He also later appeared in Shaolin vs. Lama and other Taiwanese films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member The Dragon Posted November 20, 2007 Member Share Posted November 20, 2007 Lo Mang also had the fighter's physique going for him... One look at those guns and you know he's the real deal. Bruce was an advocate of that: a fighter should LOOK like a fighter, not with the gut and tubby with the Black belt, "to hold his pants up!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Iron_Jinon Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Bruce was an advocate of that: a fighter should LOOK like a fighter, not with the gut and tubby with the Black belt, "to hold his pants up!" sounds like Japanese with glasses in Fist Of Fury who gets sword through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cesare Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 kungfood: Yep, Sun Chien was great. And you're right about his understated portrayal of characters... It looked great - and worked particularly well with bad guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vengeanceofhumanlanterns Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 First off I've read something a bit ridiculous earlier in this thread. Chiang Sheng is not convincing as a heavy weight martial artist, but as a light skills specialist, he fits his roles perfectly. Chiang Sheng in reality choregraphed/and assisted a great deal in the fight sequences of many of the Venom's films. The man deserves credit for the extent in which he's contributed to the success of the Venom's films. Secondly, Centipede/Lu Feng deserves special mention. Without this guy you'd be missing out on THE foremost villian in the Venom's films. They all are equally important in my opinion, but Lu Feng had the build, the charisma, and the ability to convince veiwers that he was a villian that might be unstoppable or at least a force to be reckoned with by the other Venom's, which in some cases took all of their abilities combined to overcome him as a villian, which was convincing especially in films like Magnificent Ruffian's, etc. Don't mean to vere off track from the topic of the thread, but in 5 deadly Venom's, Lu Feng's character, the Centipede. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Bravery Posted November 20, 2007 Member Share Posted November 20, 2007 The Lo Meng wasn't my favorite of the five, but in Five Venoms his Toad was so damn cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tarim69 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Snake. I think it fit him perfectly. He looked weaker than the other guys, so a sneakier style that punctures fits him well IMHO. "The Lo Meng wasn't my favorite of the five, but in Five Venoms his Toad was so damn cool." You know I was never the biggest fan of his from the "Venoms films" but Ive REALLY liked him in some of his other appearances,especially in Human Lanterns and Clan Feuds. I would have liked to have seen him do a few leads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cesare Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Snake. I think it fit him perfectly. He looked weaker than the other guys, so a sneakier style that punctures fits him well IMHO. My thoughts exactly. And it fit quite well with the "rich spoilt boy wanting to learn some kickass kung-fu" thing. He really gave an impression of a man who learned the art for the sake of the art itself (or to be more specific - simply to possess the skill - like adding a new valuable piece to a collection - similar reasons for which I'd like to learn Cantonese, for example...;-)) and is not really very fond of direct confrontation. I think that the fact that Snake was originally supposed to be a woman does in many respects show in the "final version". Anyway - character-wise, Snake and Scorpion rule, IMHO (though I like Toad better than Scorpion). They're the ones with most "background", so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tarim69 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I agree with your comments about Snake Casare. His wealth add a dimension to him missing from the others. IMHO he was the most interesting character. You really could have done multiple movies of these characters. It would have been really cool to see a prequel film or 2 of some of them - leading up to 5 Venoms. Sort of the way we see Wu Song put on the Water Margin gear at the end Delightful Forrest.I love seeing stuff like that. I was suprised when they acknowledged Lady Hermit and Cui Ping and in Black Tavern.A nice suprise. They really were great characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drunken Monk Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The beginning of the movie where Philip Kwok first displays his lizard technique had me in awe. It looked so smooth and mysterious as he walked up that wall. While Kwok was never a favorurite Venom actor of mine, The Lizard was definitely my biggest pleasure in this movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Endsang Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 The beginning of the movie where Philip Kwok first displays his lizard technique had me in awe. It looked so smooth and mysterious as he walked up that wall. While Kwok was never a favorurite Venom actor of mine, The Lizard was definitely my biggest pleasure in this movie. Perfect use of the slow motion as he starts to walk up the wall there. Same with when Snake goes into matrix mode against Toad, and Lo Meng raises both hands to strike. That gave me goosebumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peringaten Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Apparently Wei Pei trained at the same Peking opera school as Jackie, Samo, Biao, etc. under Yu Jim Yuen. 3rd page of Chinese article listing all the school's students - Wei Pei listed number 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Endsang Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Wow, nice find. Would have expected more acrobatics from him.. maybe he did more as a stuntman before 5DV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member The Dragon Posted November 21, 2007 Member Share Posted November 21, 2007 Perfect use of the slow motion as he starts to walk up the wall there. Same with when Snake goes into matrix mode against Toad, and Lo Meng raises both hands to strike. That gave me goosebumps. Yeah man, it's nothing like seeing an effect done right to enhance the action onscreen. The Venoms sure knew what they were doing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Virtual Scott Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I've gotta go with Lu Feng - Scorpion. His initial battle with the Toad was one of the best (and yes, it's a film with minimal fights which doesn't minimalize it's impact whatsoever) in the film. But his brash, arrogant persona and defiant, aggressive and intimidating demeanor was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member tai_shin_mun Posted January 17, 2008 Member Share Posted January 17, 2008 Snake had most depth in his character. All movies considered Lu Feng.Not only he is coolest(rarely grins around like kwok or chiang)he has best butterfly kick I have seen.And master of weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Righteous Master Posted January 17, 2008 Member Share Posted January 17, 2008 The Toad all the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Yu_Xihong Posted January 18, 2008 Member Share Posted January 18, 2008 I liked the Scorpion because he was the smartest. He really could have gotten away with it if he was a bit smarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member IronFist Posted April 13, 2010 Member Share Posted April 13, 2010 Toad kX6EHqcvqyo Thick skinned Like me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Fang Shih-yu Posted April 13, 2010 Member Share Posted April 13, 2010 For me, the Lizard just edges out over the Toad, which is a flip-flop of the top two in the poll! On a FaceBook quiz, "Which Venom are you?" (to paraphrase), I came up as the Lizard! As it is, I've been partial To Kuo Chui since I saw him as "the Pope's brother" in The Brave Archer", so my thinking is a TOUCH biased! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Soda Drink Posted April 14, 2010 Member Share Posted April 14, 2010 Toad and Scorpion also the most underutilized Venoms and I always hated that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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