Member teako170 Posted September 2, 2008 Member Share Posted September 2, 2008 Venomchamber and I have discussed this movie in the past. Certainly not for the average KF fan however its a film of notoriety due to its -- outlandish plot & characters, minimalist sets and its perpetual production timeline. Here's two scans (from 1975 & 76) plugging the film long before it got scraped -- and sat on a shelf till the ol' V-boys bailed it out.... ..props to Carol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Chinatown Kid Posted September 3, 2008 Member Share Posted September 3, 2008 I could always tell that this film was shot at different time periods because Fu Sheng looks really young a skinny in the early 70's fight scenes and the choreography and the actors MA skill are not as good, then in the mid 70's shot fight scenes Fu Sheng looks chubbier and his face is fatter and the fights he has with Wang Lung Wei and the others look alot better and faster. This was a weird movie and the hell scenes and monster masks looked silly but I do kinda like the film, it's definately something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member magicpoe Posted September 3, 2008 Member Share Posted September 3, 2008 Yes indeed a crazy film, I like it. Not something to show a newbie to the Shaw Brothers Library but... My wife hates this film though and it is one of the few films that she will not sit through with me. I'd like to see outtakes from the footage we didn't see. I mean look at those stills from the magazine article teako170 posted. I scanned the stuff below from an issue of Cinemart July 1975 I had. Interesting little essay from Fu Sheng with a head shot of he and Jenny from maybe Heaven and Hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member teako170 Posted September 3, 2008 Member Share Posted September 3, 2008 I scanned the stuff below from an issue of Cinemart July 1975 I had. Niiice pix MP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member teako170 Posted September 3, 2008 Member Share Posted September 3, 2008 Fu Sheng is wearing a U of H shirt! (University of Hawaii) Yes, good catch RW. As a kid, he did live in HI (though never attended the U of H). Here's a photo captured from the Celestial doc when he was involved in Judo/Karate competitions in HI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Tosh Posted September 4, 2008 Member Share Posted September 4, 2008 Great pics! I've watched this a few times since then, what can I say, I love these kinds of movies, Kung Fu with some fanasy - weirdnest thrown in, I'm all about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member SilverRoc Posted May 10, 2010 Member Share Posted May 10, 2010 How much fighting are in these films? I have heard good and bad reviews on both but still want to check them out, I can sit through a bad movie if thair are enough fight scenes. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member kungfusamurai Posted May 10, 2010 Member Share Posted May 10, 2010 Martial Club is the one to get if you have to decide between the two. Heaven & Hell has fighting, but the movie is more like an acid trip, and the fights aren't as numerous or interesting as in Martial Club. The Martial Club finale is one of the best ever for kung fu film. KFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Gaijin84 Posted May 11, 2010 Member Share Posted May 11, 2010 Martial Club by far - the fights are outstanding. As KFS said, the finale in the alley between Gordon and Johnny is an absolute classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Fang Shih-yu Posted May 11, 2010 Member Share Posted May 11, 2010 Martial Club by far - the fights are outstanding. As KFS said, the finale in the alley between Gordon and Johnny is an absolute classic. If you like the "Venoms", their fighting in "Heaven and Hell" is good; the fact they were used to help complete an unfinished film is one reason why this movie gets a bad rap! Fu Sheng drew me to the movie in the first place; Fu Sheng AND the "Venoms" make me go back to it again and again! "Martial Club" is better, but "HaH" is fun for all the right AND wrong reasons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member CDiablo Posted May 11, 2010 Member Share Posted May 11, 2010 I saw heaven and hell, there was some ok MA's mostly at the end, but as said before a real trip. I felt a lot of fighting was poorly paced and looked scripted. Id say its worth a rent just for the sheer outrageousness of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jackie Fhan Posted May 11, 2010 Member Share Posted May 11, 2010 Just got both of these recnetly. Haven't watched them yet but you guys have me pumped about Martial! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Ozark Posted May 21, 2010 Member Share Posted May 21, 2010 Hey guys - new here - but just saw the movie and loved the opening lion dancing. Have a question for y'all. Half way through the movie after the 'boys' make themselves sifus - they have a run in with a real sifu who tells his students to teach them a little lesson. Does anyone know who that sifu is? I seem to remember seeing him somewhere, but can't remember his name for the life of me. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member bobo Posted May 21, 2010 Member Share Posted May 21, 2010 in my opinion HEAVEN AND HELL was another of those movies that was a complete waste of talent--the only fights that were good were the flashback scenes---what they should have done was make a serious movie with those characters. the best word to describe this movie is IDIOTIC. well--someone had to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Wheat Thin Man Posted May 21, 2010 Member Share Posted May 21, 2010 I just saw Martial Club about a week ago and loved it. This movie had great fight scenes; it's also one of the few Lau Kar-Leung films where the humor works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Ozark Posted May 21, 2010 Member Share Posted May 21, 2010 http://www.hkcinemagic.com/en/people.asp?id=2497 him? Right on! Thanks! That's right - I remember him from Super ninjas / 5 Element Ninjas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Fang Shih-yu Posted May 21, 2010 Member Share Posted May 21, 2010 the best word to describe this movie is IDIOTIC. well--someone had to say it. Even though I like Heaven and Hell, I agree with this! Whatever the original film (as production started, it was called The Hell) was specifically to be, we'll never know. If the Fu Sheng "Earth" sequence (obviously filmed during two different spans of time) is any clue, [at least] one other uncompleted film's footage was utilized in the fleshing out of HaH! (Special note to film students: DON'T write your thesis on this movie!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member peringaten Posted May 21, 2010 Member Share Posted May 21, 2010 Right on! Thanks! That's right - I remember him from Super ninjas / 5 Element Ninjas Triumph Of Two Kung Fu Arts bills Chow Siu Loi as "Master of Cheng Lung & Seven Lucks" in its opening credits, which I guess would imply he had something to do with kung fu instruction of Jackie & the little fortunes at Yu Jim Yuen's opera school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Tosh Posted May 23, 2010 Member Share Posted May 23, 2010 I've watched this a couple times now, it's a clusterfuck of a movie that somehow manages to pull off as an arthouse flick before it's time, and it has some great KF, then again I like off the wall stuff like this:xd: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member nectarsis Posted February 22, 2011 Member Share Posted February 22, 2011 I've watched this a couple times now, it's a clusterfuck of a movie that somehow manages to pull off as an arthouse flick before it's time, and it has some great KF, then again I like off the wall stuff like this:xd: Completely agree. Even though it is VERY uneven at parts, and a complete clusterfuck with extremely odd edits/scene switches it is just a crazy yet fun movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member vengeanceofhumanlanterns Posted February 22, 2011 Member Share Posted February 22, 2011 The Lu Feng and Kuo Chui fight scene recollected is great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Noelle Shadow Kick Posted February 22, 2011 Member Share Posted February 22, 2011 The Lu Feng and Kuo Chui fight scene recollected is great! Yeah, this movie was ridiculous but I would totally buy it based solely on that awesome fight scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member kurtz Posted February 27, 2011 Member Share Posted February 27, 2011 Agreed - Just watched today (finally got it after a comment by "bratty",Thanks!).,, I really enjoyed it - especially found the fight scene with no "impact noises" (Fu Sheng) interesting as it turned it into a stagey play type thing rather than movie fight .. Overall - interesting watch - something different! Interestingly my usual dvd supplier had to readd it to their database for me to buy after removing films that were not selling! That was one of them! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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