Guest morgoth Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 I agree, the story was as elementary as it gets, but the fights and training were awesome. I don't really ask for much more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest venomchamber Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 lest we forget these other ofter neglected and unsung members of Chang Cheh's venoms troupe... Yang Hsuing Chien Hsiao-Hao Cheng Tien-Chi Lung Tien-Sheng Yu Tai-Ping Chu Ko Chao Kuo ...as they've appeared alongside the venoms in more films than turncoat Wei Pai who ran off with John Woo over to Golden Harvest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldeschool17 Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 why did wei pai leave shaw bros? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tosh Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 why did wei pai leave shaw bros? I would guess he realized he was the 5th wheel(6th really) in the Venoms crew, no matter what Kuo Chui was the main man, and Lu Feng was the main villain, he usually only got bit roles backing up Sammo, and Jackie at GH, but he also got his couple staring roles over there. That and maybe money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VenomsFan Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Not sure if everyone knows, but there is a Venoms Documentary I put together with more history on the team. Check it out online here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shaolin student Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 YES!!!>: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Soda drink Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 I dont know how anyone in this world can watch Lu feng in Magnificent Ruffians and not be blown away...that is probably the greatest display of martial arts weaponry skills ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vengeanceofhumanlanterns Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Nice work VenomsFan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Sifu Posted November 8, 2007 Member Share Posted November 8, 2007 I'm not the biggest fan of the Venoms films mostly because I just dislike most of Chang Cheh's flix! I don't like the whole machismo "I'm tough and I know!" thing. Another thing I'm not a fan of in his films is the excessive gore. I'm by no means squeamish, but it's not necessary. Now Lau Kar Leung, that's the man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldeschool17 Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 way to ressurect a 2 month old thread:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cesare Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Precisely the reasons why I love CC flicks. The whole machismo "I'm tough and I know" thing... And the gore. As far as films are concerned, I am a very bloodthirsty person. It's just like with italian gore and gialli. It would be very sad if all horror flicks looked like that - but it's great that films like these are on the menu. I am simply grateful that Shaws gave us both CC AND Lau Kar Leung...:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest will91XingYu Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 I really love the venoms, but i see what you mean about the stories can be quite samey, and as well that Philip Kwok, Chiang Sheng and Lu Feng got nearlly all the action at times annoied me, but i love theyre films, the only venoms films i dislike are Life Gamble and Chinatown Kid, and even then Chinatown Kid is ok just nothing special imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Iron_Jinon Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 you can say they are not great in acting department.none of them have screen energy like chen kuan tai,fu sheng or ti lung(he is not among my favs but controls every scene he appears in).but in fights they have no equals,and I like storyline of many venom movies.should I have been scripwriter I would have given more things to do for sun chien and thickheaded muscleman lo meng as they never make it to final fight(except in 2 champions of shaolin) which is one of best in venom films despite lack of kuo chui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wuxiawuxia Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 I like Kuo Chui but dislike all the venoms "goofing off" themes Masked Avenger, Kid with Golden Arm, Five Venoms, House of Traps, Flags of Iron were excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Vampire Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Lo Meng's Pects. I never watched a Chang Cheh flick and thought to myself "gee, that's excessively gory" - I get what you mean about the machismo thing but it's so 'cartooney' that I can't really take it seriously enough so that it would bother me. Much like gang-banger wannabe's in the suburbs of minneapolis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Endsang Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Kinda dislike it when the opera trio goes into circus act mode, and do five flips each before throwing a punch or a kick. I enjoy them more when separated, or teamed with one of the fighters like Lo Meng or Sun Chien. Typical example is Crippled Avengers. Lo Meng and Kuo Chui against everybody in the inn was great, Kuo Chui and Chiang Sheng versus Lu Feng at the end was too much acrobatics and too little fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest venomsfreak Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 Kinda dislike it when the opera trio goes into circus act mode, and do five flips each before throwing a punch or a kick. I enjoy them more when separated, or teamed with one of the fighters like Lo Meng or Sun Chien. Typical example is Crippled Avengers. Lo Meng and Kuo Chui against everybody in the inn was great, Kuo Chui and Chiang Sheng versus Lu Feng at the end was too much acrobatics and too little fighting. Yea I know what you mean, that scene dragged on a little too long for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member teako170 Posted February 17, 2013 Member Share Posted February 17, 2013 Bumping this old thread for some new input.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ching li Posted February 17, 2013 Member Share Posted February 17, 2013 I think the venoms was never the same after Sun Chien and Lo Mang left. Some may have thought they didn't contribute enough with the other opera trained three, but I felt a huge void was left when SC and LM didn't appear in movies with them much or LM case no more after Rebel Intruders. Chang Cheh started incorporating other performers in the group, it still didn't bring back the shine they once had. I was particularly against Chin siu ho, I personally felt he did not fit in and had too much of a modern look to go with the period pieces the venoms film were always in...but he was somehow always pushed in the forefront of their later movies, which irked me and I just couldn't get into the movies. Sword Stained with Royal Blood could have been a favorite of mine, but Wen hseuh er's character was so beyone annoying, it ruined everything. Also I would have like for the fights to be more challenging as Kuo Chui's character just beat everyone within seconds without breaking a sweat; giving that we knew this fighters could have put up a much longer and better fight. But in all to me the venoms was at their best with Lo Meng and Sun Chien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Tosh Posted February 18, 2013 Member Share Posted February 18, 2013 "I'll take a Venoms movie over anything GH could offer anyday" - Yeah I wrote that 5-6 years ago, at that time I didn't know The Sword was a GH movie, and the movie I watched last night makes me have to seriously eat my words here(BO:angel:). Not that I still don't love the Venoms style, but there are a couple of their movies that didn't do it for me, not that they were devoid of entertainment all together. Sometimes I have to come back, I didn't like SSwRB on the first viewing, loved it on the 2nd. i love the venoms regardless- they play an ultra-tight gig, great chemistry. they have a nice, cartoonish comic-book-hero like charm, a unique combination of styles and qualities, they re childhood heroes and therefore pure cult material, plus they give it to us rugged, bloody and raw. ingredients that make some CC/venom(ou)s movies lacking are (just from my pov of course)... cheap, limited sets (comparatively speaking); simplistic, repetitive, underwritten screenplays; generic, tired camera work; sub par acting, a convoluted/messy conglomerate plot; bad pacing choices. This isn't a bad summary for Venom films, though the cartoonish qualities come and go film to film, it's some of the lacking qualities that make them enduring. Kuo Chui is still one of my favorite KF actors, watched Hard Boiled again a couple months ago, does he deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member teako170 Posted February 18, 2013 Member Share Posted February 18, 2013 I think the venoms was never the same after Sun Chien and Lo Mang left. I concur with this sentiment. Overall, I love all the V-flix but the earlier ones had a uniqueness about them that the latter ones did not. The feud between KC & LF, which caused them not to appear together in two films, plus LM & SC's departure reminded me of the many bands that lose original members but continue on. Still good but never the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Cloud Hands Posted March 18, 2013 Member Share Posted March 18, 2013 I am a big Venoms fan, but to some extent agree with some of the criticisms made here. I definitely prefered the chemistry when Lo Mang and Sun Chien were there. But then again, a couple of my favourite Venom's films are from middle to latter days - Masked Avengers being one of my favourite films. The new wave Venoms troup were talented, how good is Chu Ko with a trident? Better than Sun Chien is the answer. I'm also an admirer of an oft overlooked latter day Venoms film - Legend of the Fox. Being a big fan of Chu Yuan, I would have loved to have seen more films of this kind, with those intricate Gu Long storylines, wuxia fantasy feel, but with Venoms choreography. It's one to ponder, an imaginary dream team of Chu Yuan and the Venoms at their prime.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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