Guest Agent Orange Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 The Kid with the Golden Arm (celestial) screencaps. This was probably the most eaglery anticipated release of all the remasters since Celestial/IVL started planned to RE-master and Re-release the films since late 2003. I cannot wait to watch this film. Previously only have the English Dubb version released by Ground Zero. The Ground Zero release and the IVL re-lease are entirely different. The Celestial finally re-mastered fully with seemingly no problems as far as Video and Audio technicalities are concerned. In the same token if you can wait i expect Dragon Dynasty will release the so call ''definitive release'' with commen- tary and the like of interviews including english and cantonese tracks. This release comes intact with trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest monk sante Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Cool, thanks for posting. 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Agent Orange Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 This version also has the missing first five minutes from the Ground Zero version where the Caskets or whatever it is in the boxes is presented to Sun Chien. This leads me to believe that the print availiable up until NOW was probably dubbed late from someone using a Video recorder (VCR). Amen, and amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaolin Patriot Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Be sure to read the post I started a few pages ago under KWGA Product Specs. One viewer pointed out a flaw: 1 problem with this release: Celestial remastered a scene out of sequence... When Copper Head arrives through the tunnel dug by the 7 Deadly Hooks member played by Wu Han-Sheng, Iron Armour makes off with with the gold leaving him to battle Long Axe, Short Axe and Hu Wei, while Hai Tao stowes away beneath the cart and causes the back wheel to break off. Iron Armour Wang Lung-Wei then shoots off a flare as a signal while Hai Tao instigates a duel. At this point the 7 Deadly Hooks member played by Lu Chian-Ming rushes in during the fight and announces #3 just sent a signal. On the DVD it is reversed and the Deadly Valley gang are alerted before the cart is damaged or the signal is even sent! Only after Copper Head's demise and Golden Arm Kid's arrival does the film revert back to the broken cart sequence. The scenes should switch back and forth between the battle and the cart of gold, but the battle is kept lengthy and the Kuo Chui/Wang Lung-Wei sequences are shown together (ending with a clear view of blood spurting from Wang Lung-Wei's groin after being impaled by Kuo). If DD does release this film, I sure hope they correct the flaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VonHumboldtFleischer Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 I'm pretty sure the widescreen German VHS rip had that casket scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mantis FIST Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 yo von, the ground zero is the german version with the eng dub. So did GZ cut the 1st 5min. from the german version, anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VonHumboldtFleischer Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 I have a VCD of the German version somewhere, I'll check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VonHumboldtFleischer Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 It looks like Crash cut out the opening scene - here's screencaps from the German version: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mantis FIST Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 ok. thanks! anyone got the full german version with an eng dub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VonHumboldtFleischer Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 The German version is English dubbed - the only clue that it's German is the title card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mantis FIST Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I wondered if that was true or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dahnamics Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 OMFG i gotta cop this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Dragula Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Those screens look phenomenal, even with the noted out of sequence scene this will be hard to pass up. It's a shame though, it seems more often than not most Kung Fu releases are marred in one aspect or another. Still, they fare far better than most Chambara or Yakuza ega which are lucky to get one or two English friendly releases every few months it that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest killer meteor Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 I wonder if the Celestial DVD actually is correct and presents the scene as a flashback, whilst the older releases perhaps use a US print? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldeschool17 Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 if it was suppose to be a flashback, they would have done some sort of "effect"(for instance, blurriness) to show that it was indeed a flashback. If you watch how they sequenced it, it doesnt make any logical sense. Although its a minor flaw, it doesnt detract entirely from the movie cause most people should be able to deduct what has happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest killer meteor Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Ten Tigers Of Kwantung is full of flashbacks but little in the way of making it clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest venomchamber Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 The broken cart/Hai Tao vs Iron Robe duel scene is not a flashback, but was a 'meanwhile' set at the same point in time as the fight with Brass Head...this happened simultaneously. In the film 10 Tigers, Chang Cheh established his new cast as sitting around the table telling the story in past tense, and the camera zooms-in on each member as they tell their part of what happened to their teachers. Very similar to Quentin Tarantino's style of filmmaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldeschool17 Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 exactly. trying to compare ten tigers of kwangtung's narrative to Kid With the Golden Arm is like comparing apples to oranges. Ten Tigers Of Kwangtung relied heavily on flashbacks and suffered terribly when it was in the "present tense". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest venomchamber Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 This is what I find to be the most interesting thing about Chang's revolving teams: Has anyone noticed that the most popular Chang Cheh films from his "Shaolin Deadly poisons" era are the ones that feature Lo Mang? It would appear he was the proverbial glue that held that unit together as once he was out of the stable, the newcomers (Chien Hsiao-Hao, Lung Tien-Sheng, Chu Ko, Cheng Tien-Chi) just couldn't cut it! Many fans seems to adore GOLDEN ARM, CRIPPLED AVENGERS, INVINCIBLE SHAOLIN, MAGNIFICENT RUFFIANS and of course FIVE VENOMS, but tend to shy away from later films such as LEGEND OF THE FOX, SWORD STAINED WITH ROYAL BLOOD, HOUSE OF TRAPS and ODE TO GALLANTRY. Another prime example would be how everyone likes FIVE ELEMENTS NINJA with Lo Mang among Chang's replacement venoms, but frowns upon THE WEIRD MAN with the same cast, minus Lo! (I'm sure the supernatural elements of the film has something to do with it, but just add it to the previous non-Lo Mang list of lesser popular CC films, and 5 Elements to the pro-Lo Mang list of highly popular CC films!) My conclusion is: when Lo Mang left the poison clan filmography, things just weren't the same without him! What's more, Lo Mang possessed something the newcomers didn't have much of: CHARISMA! (You gotta love Lo Mang's funny faces when he's mugging for the camera! :rollin ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BKarza Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 "Many fans seems to adore GOLDEN ARM, CRIPPLED AVENGERS, INVINCIBLE SHAOLIN, MAGNIFICENT RUFFIANS and of course FIVE VENOMS, but tend to shy away from later films such as LEGEND OF THE FOX, SWORD STAINED WITH ROYAL BLOOD, HOUSE OF TRAPS and ODE TO GALLANTRY." True, but at the same time, the ones mentioned were all on tv, in english and in heavy circulation. The latter ones were more underground and hard to get ahold of for some, if you will. That said, I pretty much feel that way. I think CC may have been doing less, and Chiang Sheng more behind the camera. Everything began to lack in those "KC in the forefront-slash-KC/LF/CS" movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Agent Orange Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 i dont know its just me or WHAT but watching the kid with the goldens arms celestial release reminded me of the brave archer series. the audio track is not the on on the release ive seen (at least im pretty sure). Also the way the characters were introduced in the beggining reminded me of the Brave archer series. Of course if i recall Chang Cheh adapted that brave archer series and wrote the kid with the golden arms himself. Also they were released on after the other so it's no wonder. So am i just plain nuts or did anyone besides me notice the difference? By the way i cant believe you noticed such a minute detail. The one pertaining to when the flair was sent and the deadly valley were notified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VonHumboldtFleischer Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I like Lo Mang a lot, but I have to ask: If his charisma is behind the appeal of the CC movies mentioned, why is it that LION VS. LION isn't more popular? Lo Mang played the lead, after all - the entire film revolves around his character, even if he shares top billing with Wong Yu. But it just isn't one of those movies that people get pants-wettingly excited about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ignamelogin Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Not to derail the thread but in answer about Lo Meng and Lion Vs Lion, Lo is indeed great, but unlike some of the other venoms flicks, this one is not full of fights (but what's there is great) and is much more plot based with some comedy that the more serious venoms fans don't always enjoy. I, myself consider Lion Vs Lion a minor classic and a perennial favourite that everyone should at least check out once as stated in this lion vs lion review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flashmantis Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Well this is certainly one of my top 5 Venoms Mob favorites. And yeah it is a bit odd to see that sort of complication in the Remastered print, even though it's may not be too much of a big deal. It does make me wonder whether it's an alternate version with a slight difference or a mistake during re-editing. Who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldeschool17 Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 some people shine better when they are in a cast that everyone is familiar with or work well with, henceforth why venomchamber prolly has such high marks for lo meng while he was in the venom films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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