Member laagi Posted March 5, 2021 Member Share Posted March 5, 2021 Thoughts? The plot sounds about as fresh as a rotten tomato. But at least the action seems to deliver a Michael Bay style blast. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DarthKato Posted March 6, 2021 Member Share Posted March 6, 2021 Nah, I will skipping this one. It looks like its not even trying to follow the book. Also, can someone who has read all the Tom Clancy books, tell me what race John Clark is said/hinted at being? I know that he has always been portrayed by white actors in movies, but I couldn't find anything online stating what he is in the books. I wouldn't want to start complaining about another case of Hollywood's favorite hobby, Race-Changing, without knowing for sure that is what they did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member NoKUNGFUforYU Posted March 6, 2021 Member Share Posted March 6, 2021 4 hours ago, DarthKato said: Nah, I will skipping this one. It looks like its not even trying to follow the book. Also, can someone who has read all the Tom Clancy books, tell me what race John Clark is said/hinted at being? I know that he has always been portrayed by white actors in movies, but I couldn't find anything online stating what he is in the books. I wouldn't want to start complaining about another case of Hollywood's favorite hobby, Race-Changing, without knowing for sure that is what they did. Does it make a deference in the story? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DarthKato Posted March 6, 2021 Member Share Posted March 6, 2021 10 hours ago, NoKUNGFUforYU said: Does it make a deference in the story? Yes, it matters a great deal. Changing major characteristics of a character isn’t just disrespectful, it also affects fan’s ability to enjoy the movie. Because it’s not a real representation of the character. If they aren’t going to give us something close to the source, then they might as well make an all new character. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member NoKUNGFUforYU Posted March 6, 2021 Member Share Posted March 6, 2021 21 minutes ago, DarthKato said: Yes, it matters a great deal. Changing major characteristics of a character isn’t just disrespectful, it also affects fan’s ability to enjoy the movie. Because it’s not a real representation of the character. If they aren’t going to give us something close to the source, then they might as well make an all new character. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/01/28/100-times-a-white-actor-played-someone-who-wasnt-white/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member NoKUNGFUforYU Posted March 6, 2021 Member Share Posted March 6, 2021 I am trying to think why the color of an American's skin has anything to do with a character who is simply a badass CIA agent getting revenge. I mean were all Americans. I sure a right wing chicken hawk like pro war Clancy would be upset though, so there's that. Bernie Casey was in a remake of Get Carter and no one, including the companies that bankrolled it and the original British company. George Armitage. I didn't feel at the time that a white director should be directing it. So I met with Bernie [Casey, the film's star], who wanted to direct it, and campaigned for him with Gene, and he said: "I don't want to take a chance on someone who hasn't directed." So he wasn't going to make the picture, and at that point there was a lot of crew and cast involved, and they were friends, so I said: "Okay, I'll do it." There was a great deal of improvisation by the actors, who were bringing me dialogue from the African-American community, and it really worked. Growing up in a racially mixed neighborhood, like I did in Baldwin Hills, I knew a little bit about the culture, but the actors brought so much in terms of dialogue and honesty ... The Colonial Motel up on Sunset worked beautifully for us, and we also shot at a funeral home in southwest L.A., we shot all over there, with a crazy police escort holding traffic on every location. And between locations I'd get in a squad car with these crazy cops and drive 150 mph to the next location, I thought: "God, Roger would be so thrilled with that, that's the way to travel." And I'm so glad we were able to shoot in the Watts Towers, right down there at 103rd.[6] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DarthKato Posted March 6, 2021 Member Share Posted March 6, 2021 23 minutes ago, NoKUNGFUforYU said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/01/28/100-times-a-white-actor-played-someone-who-wasnt-white/ What’s your point? That two wrongs equal a right? Besides, as wrong as it might be, at least they were made up to look like who they were portraying. 12 minutes ago, NoKUNGFUforYU said: I am trying to think why the color of an American's skin has anything to do with a character who is simply a badass CIA agent getting revenge. I mean were all Americans. I sure a right wing chicken hawk like pro war Clancy would be upset though, so there's that. Bernie Casey was in a remake of Get Carter and no one, including the companies that bankrolled it and the original British company. George Armitage. I didn't feel at the time that a white director should be directing it. So I met with Bernie [Casey, the film's star], who wanted to direct it, and campaigned for him with Gene, and he said: "I don't want to take a chance on someone who hasn't directed." So he wasn't going to make the picture, and at that point there was a lot of crew and cast involved, and they were friends, so I said: "Okay, I'll do it." There was a great deal of improvisation by the actors, who were bringing me dialogue from the African-American community, and it really worked. Growing up in a racially mixed neighborhood, like I did in Baldwin Hills, I knew a little bit about the culture, but the actors brought so much in terms of dialogue and honesty ... The Colonial Motel up on Sunset worked beautifully for us, and we also shot at a funeral home in southwest L.A., we shot all over there, with a crazy police escort holding traffic on every location. And between locations I'd get in a squad car with these crazy cops and drive 150 mph to the next location, I thought: "God, Roger would be so thrilled with that, that's the way to travel." And I'm so glad we were able to shoot in the Watts Towers, right down there at 103rd.[6] This has nothing to do with politics, so don’t even go there. I’m neither left or right, as both sides have become so extreme that I don’t care to be on either side. Now, back to the topic. It matters because if they keep changing aspects of a character, they cease to be who you went there to see in the first place. And who directs or works behind the scene doesn’t matter. You don’t ever see them and it really comes down to who will do the movie justice. It’s obvious the ones working on Without Remorse must not care at all, because not only is it inaccurate but also looks generic and boring as well. As for Get Carter, the original has an 84% on Rotten Tomatoes, while the new one has 11%. So I guess people weren’t too pleased with it. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member NoKUNGFUforYU Posted March 6, 2021 Member Share Posted March 6, 2021 The movie Hit! is a different film than the Stallone one. And you are defending Fu Manchu? Ugh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DarthKato Posted March 7, 2021 Member Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, NoKUNGFUforYU said: The movie Hit! is a different film than the Stallone one. And you are defending Fu Manchu? Ugh. Look, if it doesn't bother you, then go watch it. I don't particularly like it, so I'm going to skip it. I don't like most cases of changing key characteristics of a character(Its just a pet peeve of mine) That's all I'm going to say on this topic. I regret ever getting into this kind of conversation to start with. Its just too politically charged, which always results in mudsling and trying to make the other guy look bad. Edited March 7, 2021 by DarthKato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member laagi Posted May 5, 2021 Author Member Share Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) Wow... this is bad. I didn't care about anything or anyone in this movie. It's just one uninspired cliche filled scene after another. With literally nothing to add any thrill or excitment to what's happening on screen. Also some of the worst casting choices I've seen. Jodie Turner-Smith was great in Queen & Slim but here she's about as believable as a dog posing as cat or vice versa! Not even sure I should mention the action but it's just as bland as the movies story and characters. The only silver lining is Michael B. Jordan but even he can't save this. I'd give this a hard pass... You ain't missing much here! Edited May 5, 2021 by laagi 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DarthKato Posted May 5, 2021 Member Share Posted May 5, 2021 3 hours ago, laagi said: Wow... this is bad. I didn't care about anything or anyone in this movie. It's just one uninspired cliche filled scene after another. With literally nothing to add any thrill or excitment to what's happening on screen. Also some of the worst casting choices I've seen. Jodie Turner-Smith was great in Queen & Slim but here she's about as believable as a dog posing as cat or vice versa! Not even sure I should mention the action but it's just as bland as the movies story and characters. The only silver lining is Michael B. Jordan but even he can't save this. I'd give this a hard pass... You ain't missing much here! This what I figured. You can just look at the trailer and tell the filmmakers didn't give a crap about the source. Hollywood needs to learn that an adaption of a work will only succeed if you actually treat it with respect. Otherwise you are just going to piss the fans off and bore the new people you are trying to attract. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member laagi Posted May 8, 2021 Author Member Share Posted May 8, 2021 I think the even bigger disappointment than it being a mediocre movie at best is that Taylor Sheridan was part of this! I love the guy and he made some of my favourite movies with Sicario, Hell or High Water and Wind River. Now I'm a bit concerned with the upcoming "They Want Me Dead". Here's hoping... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Drunken Monk Posted May 8, 2021 Member Share Posted May 8, 2021 This is the only film that’s had me question Michael B. Jordan as an actor. He was so mundane and lifeless but that could be due to the script. As for the rest of the movie, it’s bland as hell. The action beats are pretty weak with a prison fight being better than the rest and a sniper scene being the most tense moment. All in all, the big twist can be seen a mile out, the plot is paint by numbers and it’s all painfully average. It’ll be forgotten about in six months. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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