Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted January 23, 2021 Author Member Share Posted January 23, 2021 Jesus Christ what a shitshow. Well, none of my beeswax how they run their site, but it looks like a rudderless ship to me as the production year over realese year very much have been implemented, rules or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Chen Hung Lieh Posted January 23, 2021 Member Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, TibetanWhiteCrane said: Jesus Christ what a shitshow. Well, none of my beeswax how they run their site, but it looks like a rudderless ship to me as the production year over realese year very much have been implemented, rules or not. A "rule" that supports the change of year was not implemented. A wrong year may have been "implemented", which was most likely a mistake. I see only one editor who argues in favor of production year, and he does not seem to get any positive feedback. But editors have to stick to the rules too. If they change something contrary to the rules, you can report it, and then it will be corrected. I made the experience that corrections and additions are welcome in the forum, as long as you argue with reason and don't pop up there just for trolling or ranting. Edited January 23, 2021 by Chen Hung Lieh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted January 23, 2021 Author Member Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Chen Hung Lieh said: A "rule" that supports the change of year was not implemented. A wrong year may have been "implemented", Maybe not "implemented" offically, but it certainly has been put into action by that guy who seems to think it is the apt approach. I do constant research for review purposes and the last say 50 titles I've looked up, over half had been "corrected" according to this guy's production over release year policy. It might not be the rule, but he seems to feel that he runs the show over there. Anyways, I don't have time to infiltrate their forums and do their job for them. If they had any sense they would put that guy in his place or get rid of him, and go back to practicing their own rules they've set up. That's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Gaijin84 Posted January 23, 2021 Member Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, TibetanWhiteCrane said: I do constant research for review purposes and the last say 50 titles I've looked up, over half had been "corrected" according to this guy's production over release year policy. Can you give a few examples of films this has happened to? The reason I ask is that the rule is that the date shown is the release date of that film in the country of origin. There are minimal exceptions. If there are films that have production date as the release date they need to be changed back. Edited January 23, 2021 by Gaijin84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator One Armed Boxer Posted January 23, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Gaijin84 said: Can you give a few examples of films this has happened to? Here’s one to kick things off. ‘Runaway Blues’, released in ‘89 but listed as ‘88 - http://hkmdb.com/db/movies/view.mhtml?id=7234&display_set=eng Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted January 23, 2021 Author Member Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Gaijin84 said: Can you give a few examples of films this has happened to? The reason I ask is that the rule is that the date shown is the release date of that film in the country of origin. There are minimal exceptions. If there are films that have production date as the release date they need to be changed back. Off the top of my head I recently looked at A Killer's Blues released in '90, listed as '89. Whose Baby is in the Class Room? released in '70, listed as '69. My Son released in '70, listed as '69 and a ton of others, but I can't recall the exact titles right now. We're not talking a few instances.... it's a lot. Also, I get that in most cases the actual release date is mentioned in the initial data under the title with the aliases, origin, possible box office numbers etc. But the films should still be listed under those years. Also, in some cases those years have even been changed, like in the case with Seven Grandmasters which has always been a 1978 title in every listing known to man, but is now a 1977 film. I would be curious as to what that change is based on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Chen Hung Lieh Posted January 23, 2021 Member Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, One Armed Boxer said: ...Runaway Blues... 25 minutes ago, TibetanWhiteCrane said: ... A Killer's Blues... Whose Baby is in the Class Room? ... My Son... These titles were changed into the Singapore release date: http://hkmdb.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=55412&hilit=singapore Seven Grandmasters is not among them. Rule: http://hkmdb.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=55412&hilit=singapore#p90704 "Movie "Year of Release" If a film has been released in different years in different countries, the year of first release should be used in the film's "Year of Release" field, regardless of the actual country where it was released first." Edited January 23, 2021 by Chen Hung Lieh link corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted January 23, 2021 Author Member Share Posted January 23, 2021 Ok, well then maybe call it The Singapore Movie Data Base instead. I don't get the thinking behind this, as I also don't get why IMDB lists films under the year counting test screenings and festival showings. I don't agree with it, but hey.... not up to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator One Armed Boxer Posted January 24, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 24, 2021 On 12/22/2020 at 8:29 AM, HKMDB_Harlock said: the goal is to have all the jobs/crews with their real chinese titles... Appreciate the effort, but this is more like a headache for those using the site. I'm researching Tony Leung Siu-Hung, and the times when he was responsible for the action are now split into - Action Choreographer Martial Arts Group Action Designer Assistant Martial Arts Director Action Director Assistant Action Director Martial Arts Director I'm sure these 7 categories can be quite easily whittled down to 2, as they were up until a few weeks ago. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted January 24, 2021 Author Member Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, One Armed Boxer said: Appreciate the effort, but this is more like a headache for those using the site. I'm researching Tony Leung Siu-Hung, and the times when he was responsible for the action are now split into - Action Choreographer Martial Arts Group Action Designer Assistant Martial Arts Director Action Director Assistant Action Director Martial Arts Director I'm sure these 7 categories can be quite easily whittled down to 2, as they were up until a few weeks ago. A-fucking-men. None of this years and job description changing was needed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member HKMDB_Harlock Posted January 24, 2021 Member Share Posted January 24, 2021 I wanted to explain to you the why of certain things but some of you seem too aggressive or childish to have a constructive discussion and I'm too old for kindergarten drama, sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted January 25, 2021 Author Member Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, HKMDB_Harlock said: I wanted to explain to you the why of certain things but some of you seem too aggressive or childish to have a constructive discussion and I'm too old for kindergarten drama, sorry That's just pathetic, but whatever.... bye. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DrNgor Posted January 26, 2021 Member Share Posted January 26, 2021 On 1/24/2021 at 9:17 AM, One Armed Boxer said: Appreciate the effort, but this is more like a headache for those using the site. I'm researching Tony Leung Siu-Hung, and the times when he was responsible for the action are now split into - Action Choreographer Martial Arts Group Action Designer Assistant Martial Arts Director Action Director Assistant Action Director Martial Arts Director I'm sure these 7 categories can be quite easily whittled down to 2, as they were up until a few weeks ago. Yeah, I'd brought that up before. Up until a couple of months ago, it was "Action Director" and "Assistant Action Director" and I'm sure we were all fine with that. When I questioned @HKMDB_Harlock about it, he said that the goal was to have the filmography pages resemble the films' actual credits as closely as possible. I think it would be less cluttered to go back to the old way and then include the actual credit as described in the film in parantheses, similar to how the IMDB does it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member De Ming Li Posted February 16, 2021 Member Share Posted February 16, 2021 I can see what they're doing, and I also disagree with them like most of us here. To put it accurately, they are now translating (transliterating actually) exactly what the rolling credits at the end of those HK films in Chinese directly into English. That's why so many different categories sprung up and for the purpose of our interest in finding things like the release date and basic info on action director and such the new listings would appear complicated if not downright pedantic. They do have a reason to feel justified in what they're doing as it may seem to some native speakers of Chinese (like me) to cover all bases and include all necessary info. The big stuff up would be they're putting production year as the Chinese advertising title (unfortunately) does indeed use production date instead of release date. So to sum it up. they're copying word for word Chinese into English 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DrNgor Posted February 22, 2021 Member Share Posted February 22, 2021 So how did Demon Strike go from 1979 to 1984 on the HKMDB? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Killer Meteor Posted March 4, 2021 Member Share Posted March 4, 2021 And apparently Sam Wallis and Steve James are now one and the same? http://hkmdb.com/db/people/view.mhtml?id=59795&display_set=eng 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted March 4, 2021 Author Member Share Posted March 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, Killer Meteor said: And apparently Sam Wallis and Steve James are now one and the same? http://hkmdb.com/db/people/view.mhtml?id=59795&display_set=eng Jesus fucking crisps..... what a shit show. Sad.... just sad... it was a great site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Killer Meteor Posted July 29, 2021 Member Share Posted July 29, 2021 Comparing HKFA to HKMDB Shaolin Kids - 7th May 1976 on HKFA, 28th June 1975 on HKMDB 18 Bronzemen - 1st April 1976 on HKFA, 28th October 1976 on HKMB Return of 18 Bronzemen - doesn't seem to on HKFA, 20th October on HKMDB (which implies it came out a week before the first film!) 7 Grandmasters - no actual release date on HKFA but they say it's 1978, HKMDB says March '77 which is far too early 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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