Member DragonClaws Posted May 23, 2018 Member Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Ramji said: Black Sheep Affair. Loved this film as a teenager, and I still do now, though it's been many years since I last put it in the DVD player. The scene with the CGI missle and the van, was alsways hokey though, even back then. 2 hours ago, TibetanWhiteCrane said: I just don't see how a movie can be rated, or in this case, underrated, if people don't know about it.... that to me is overlooked or rare It's very subjective, a film can be well known but under appreciated during its first/intial release, only to later become rare or hard to find in later years. 3 hours ago, Tex Killer said: Highly entertaining Jackie flick for sure. Nice to see you back on the forums @Tex Killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ShaOW!linDude Posted May 25, 2018 Member Share Posted May 25, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 2:43 PM, Drunken Monk said: It's not rare or anything but I genuinely think Taoism Drunkard is a Yuen Clan gem that deserves more appreciation than it gets. On 5/22/2018 at 3:19 PM, Drunken Monk said: I think "Miracle Fighters" and "Shaolin Drunkard" tend to get highly praised when it comes to the Yuen Clan's wacky films, but "Taoism Drunkard" really is great. It also has a fantastic final fight. I would have to go to the Unpopular Opinion thread to respond to these statements. On 5/23/2018 at 5:44 AM, One Armed Boxer said: I'd agree with that definition, so for me I'll add Jackie Chan's 'Thunderbolt' to the list. On 5/23/2018 at 11:11 AM, Tex Killer said: Thunderbolt is excellent, viewed it some months ago. I agree. I really enjoy Thunderbolt and believe it to be very underrated. I'd sooner watch it that Chan's Crime Story which seems to get more love from fans, but a film I find to be very lacking. Hmm...let me see if I can think of some underrated gems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Tex Killer Posted May 26, 2018 Member Share Posted May 26, 2018 5 hours ago, ShaOW!linDude said: I agree. I really enjoy Thunderbolt and believe it to be very underrated. I'd sooner watch it that Chan's Crime Story which seems to get more love from fans, but a film I find to be very lacking. Watched Crime Story first time recently and quite disappointed with it. Movie has good reputation and can be expectations grew too large during years it gathered dust in unwatched pile and finally it turned out to be just average. Easy to watch once but no hesitation to put it into recycle tower. I am not sure is police story 2013 rated how among fans but seems there is not much talk about it. Enjoyable flick, it starts quite lame but turns out to be good thriller with actually decent plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ShaOW!linDude Posted May 26, 2018 Member Share Posted May 26, 2018 I think Fist Power starring Vincent Zhao is underrated, more so than Black Sheep Affair. To me, it's just a fun flick and has some really good choreography. I also think Jeeja Yanin's 2nd film Raging Phoenix is underrated. Sure, the story is dark and a little far fetched, but there is just some phenomenal choreography in that. And the end fight is just brutal. And Contour starring Eric Jacobus is essentially considered a cult classic of sorts by some lovers of the genre, but I don't think very many have bothered watching it or seem all that interested in it. The story is absolute silliness, but it will genuinely make you laugh. And the skill set of Jacobus, Ruel, Carbonel, and other cast members is fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted May 27, 2018 Member Share Posted May 27, 2018 On 5/26/2018 at 3:36 PM, ShaOW!linDude said: I think Fist Power starring Vincent Zhao is underrated, more so than Black Sheep Affair. To me, it's just a fun flick and has some really good choreography. Always felt the oppisite about these two flicks, rented Fist Power on the strength of seeing The Black Sheep Affair. I just didnt get into it the same, though I do hear praise for it from you and @DrNgor, so maybe I should re-visit it some day?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted May 28, 2018 Member Share Posted May 28, 2018 Def take Black Sheep Affair over Fist Power any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted May 29, 2018 Member Share Posted May 29, 2018 On 5/28/2018 at 4:15 AM, TibetanWhiteCrane said: Def take Black Sheep Affair over Fist Power any day. In the late 90's, I thought Chiu Man-Chuk, might have been the next Jet Li, but it never happened. I wasnt aware of his OUTIC flicks at the time, but shortly after BSA was released in Britian, we got Body Weapon and Fist Power shortly after. He was also getting quite abit of coverage in IMPACT magazine at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Drunken Monk Posted May 29, 2018 Member Share Posted May 29, 2018 On 5/26/2018 at 10:36 AM, ShaOW!linDude said: I also think Jeeja Yanin's 2nd film Raging Phoenix is underrated. Sure, the story is dark and a little far fetched, but there is just some phenomenal choreography in that. And the end fight is just brutal. And Contour starring Eric Jacobus is essentially considered a cult classic of sorts by some lovers of the genre, but I don't think very many have bothered watching it or seem all that interested in it. The story is absolute silliness, but it will genuinely make you laugh. And the skill set of Jacobus, Ruel, Carbonel, and other cast members is fantastic. I would agree one hundred percent about Raging Phoenix. It's not exactly Shakespeare but the fights are really good. It does suffer a little from Jeeja Yanin's "light touch" (she doesn't have much power) but I can look beyond that. Solid film. As for Contour, I find it unwatchable but I'm not above fast forwarding to the fights. I honestly think some of Eric Jacobus' best work is in this film. Wonderful stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Ramji Posted May 30, 2018 Member Share Posted May 30, 2018 On 26 May 2018 at 3:36 PM, ShaOW!linDude said: I think Fist Power starring Vincent Zhao is underrated, more so than Black Sheep Affair. To me, it's just a fun flick and has some really good choreography. Can't say Fist Power did much for me unfortunately. I don't remember being impressed by the action and it felt super cheap in general. Wasn't Jude Poyer the bad guy in this? Not really a fan of his sad to say... 4 hours ago, DragonClaws said: In the late 90's, I thought Chiu Man-Chuk, might have been the next Jet Li, but it never happened. I wasnt aware of his OUTIC flicks at the time, but shortly after BSA was released in Britian, we got Body Weapon and Fist Power shortly after. He was also getting quite abit of coverage in IMPACT magazine at the time. Body Weapon had a decent fight in the middle. Can't say the film is underrated though haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member lilmanjs Posted May 30, 2018 Member Share Posted May 30, 2018 I can see how people can hate Crime Story, but you have to realize it is a thriller at heart, not a martial arts movie. Thunderbolt is great right up till the ending race. That casino fight is done well. Mad Monkey Kung Fu is a movie I never hear people talk about. Great fights, and a decent plot. Angry Ranger is another one I love. That end fight is insane in that one and Jackie's stunt team do a great job with the fights in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted May 30, 2018 Member Share Posted May 30, 2018 I genuinly don't see how anyone can dislike Crime Story, unless they strictly watch Jackie's flicks for the goofy comedy and the prop gags, cuz it delivers on everything else. Plus its serious, reality-based premise actually squeezes an acting performance out of JC for once... was not many of those back then, aside from maybe Heart of the Dragon. To me, it's possibly his best film of the 90's and one of his best ever. Wish he had continued more down this road than all that formulaic, family friendly slapstick stuff he relied upon for the next decade and a half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted May 30, 2018 Member Share Posted May 30, 2018 Wouldn't exactly call Mad Monkey Kung Fu underrated. It's a stone cold classic and regarded as such by most that I know. Good call on Angry Ranger though, some real hardcore action from the JC stunt team in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted May 30, 2018 Member Share Posted May 30, 2018 Ok, so perhaps not "Underrated MA Gems" as the title says, but flicks with good action that I feel don't get their full props. I steered clear of old school Kung Fu as that would be too big an undertaking listing all those overlooked joints out there. MAGIC CRYSTAL-1986: Wacky Wong Jing sc-fi adventure action comedy hybrid that many people probably thinks of as a fun 80's novelty flick, but Tony Leung Siu Hung's action raises it way above that. Andy Lau, Cyndi Rothrock, Richard Norton, Wong Mei Mei and others all put the smack down hard in this. NAUGHTY BOYS-1986: Maybe not a gem as much as a bit of a chore, but with some great spots of fight action from the JC stunt team showcasing Kara Hui in particular. IN THE LINE OF DUTY 3: FORCE OF THE DRAGON-1988: I don't think that the lovely Cynthia Khan was fully up to snuff here, taking over from Michelle Yeoh, but the action courtesy of Chris Lee, Tony Leung Siu Hung and the Yuens is relentless and bloody. BURNING AMBITION-1989: Some really hard edged action mixed with some classic Kung Fu styles in a big pot of HK gangsterism. Frankie Chan is, well… Frankie Chan and he can be cool. But add Oshima and Kara Hui for a bit of ass kicking and things start to look up. Solid choreo from Fung Hak On, Austin Wai and Guy Lai. TIGER CAGE 3-1991: The least talked about of the trilogy, but my personal fave of the three and the action from Yuen Shun Yi and Dee Dee Ku is super tight. Cheung Kwok Leung going up against the likes of John Cheung and Ridley Tsui never gets old. GODFATHER'S DAUGHTER MAFIA BLUES-1991: Perhaps best known for its cumbersome yet catchy title, one of the few directorial efforts from Fung Hak On and not a masterpiece by any stretch, but the action, also orchestrated by Fung, goes hard and involves Yukari Oshima, Benny Lai, Mark Cheng, Ken Lo, Dick Wei etc. Good stuff. FUN AND FURY-1992: Mostly a comedy with vehicular and gunplay action, but there are spots of excellent hand-to-hand throwdowns, especially for the finale. Frankie Chan versus Kim Maree Penn and Leon Lai going up against Tsui Siu Keung both with iron rods… good stuff, again from Fung Hak On. NIGHTLIFE HERO-1992: Triad comedy with some sharp action involving Max Mok, Chin Kar Lok, Ridley Tsui and others. Great stuff from Wong Kar Leung and the late Alip Sak. FINAL TARGET-1994: Slick Ridley Tsui action mixed with gunplay. MARKED FOR MURDER-1994: Gem... probably not, superb action... oh yes. Crazy gunplay mixed with sick fight choreo and ninjas. Lam wai, Beardy, Ben Lam etc. Good stuff. TAI CHI 2-1996: It's a bit cheap looking at times, and a bit simplistic in plot, but I love watching Wu Jing debuting his skills here, especially against the late Darren Shahlavi for the big finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ShaOW!linDude Posted May 30, 2018 Member Share Posted May 30, 2018 4 hours ago, TibetanWhiteCrane said: MAGIC CRYSTAL-1986: Wacky Wong Jing sc-fi adventure action comedy hybrid that many people probably thinks of as a fun 80's novelty flick, but Tony Leung Siu Hung's action raises it way above that. Andy Lau, Cyndi Rothrock, Richard Norton, Wong Mei Mei and others all put the smack down hard in this. TAI CHI 2-1996: It's a bit cheap looking at times, and a bit simplistic in plot, but I love watching Wu Jing debuting his skills here, especially against the late Darren Shahlavi for the big finish. Good calls! I agree. 4 hours ago, TibetanWhiteCrane said: NIGHTLIFE HERO-1992: Triad comedy with some sharp action involving Max Mok, Chin Kar Lok, Ridley Tsui and others. Great stuff from Wong Kar Leung and the late Alip Sak. FINAL TARGET-1994: Slick Ridley Tsui action mixed with gunplay. I want to see this. I've always found Ridley Tsui to be an impressive stuntman and screen fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member lilmanjs Posted May 30, 2018 Member Share Posted May 30, 2018 4 hours ago, TibetanWhiteCrane said: Wouldn't exactly call Mad Monkey Kung Fu underrated. It's a stone cold classic and regarded as such by most that I know. Good call on Angry Ranger though, some real hardcore action from the JC stunt team in there. Angry Ranger needs a better release than just that joy sales dvd! Still, glad it has a release at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Ramji Posted June 1, 2018 Member Share Posted June 1, 2018 That's an amazing list TibetanWhiteCrane, many I haven't seen. How's Stone Age Warriors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted June 1, 2018 Member Share Posted June 1, 2018 Cool, thanks. Personally I like Stone Age Warriors a lot. Some goofy comedy, some general HK weirdness, but also some super tight action. Too bad it doesn't have a decent release, but isn't that the same ol' song with so many of these golden era HK action joints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator One Armed Boxer Posted June 1, 2018 Moderator Share Posted June 1, 2018 On 5/30/2018 at 6:19 AM, Drunken Monk said: I would agree one hundred percent about Raging Phoenix. It's not exactly Shakespeare but the fights are really good. It does suffer a little from Jeeja Yanin's "light touch" (she doesn't have much power) but I can look beyond that. For me the "light touch" (I think this is the best expression I've read for describing Yanin's onscreen style) ruined this one for me. Well, that and the dumb plot about harvesting girls tears to make perfume. Unlike 'Chocolate' though, in which the fights seem to escalate and her hits appeared much more powerful by the end, in 'Raging Phoenix' the problem was consistent throughout, and considering all of the moves are combined with dancing, for me most of the fight scenes came across as 1 or 2 rehearsals away from being ready to commit to film. On 5/30/2018 at 3:33 PM, lilmanjs said: I can see how people can hate Crime Story, but you have to realize it is a thriller at heart, not a martial arts movie. That sums it up perfectly. I don't think you could go far wrong for a nights entertainment with a double bill of 'Crime Story' and 'The Foreigner'. On 5/30/2018 at 8:32 PM, TibetanWhiteCrane said: TIGER CAGE 3-1991: The least talked about of the trilogy, but my personal fave of the three and the action from Yuen Shun Yi and Dee Dee Ku is super tight. Cheung Kwok Leung going up against the likes of John Cheung and Ridley Tsui never gets old. At last to find someone that actually agrees with me on this! (I should have known it would be you TWC!) I remember praising the merits of part 3 back when I first watched the 'Tiger Cage' flicks in 2011 - On 5/30/2018 at 8:32 PM, TibetanWhiteCrane said: GODFATHER'S DAUGHTER MAFIA BLUES-1991: Perhaps best known for its cumbersome yet catchy title, one of the few directorial efforts from Fung Hak On and not a masterpiece by any stretch, but the action, also orchestrated by Fung, goes hard and involves Yukari Oshima, Benny Lai, Mark Cheng, Ken Lo, Dick Wei etc. Good stuff. Completely agree! I reviewed this one back in '16 - http://cityonfire.com/the-godfathers-daughter-mafia-blues-1991-review/ I'm with you on the rest of your picks as well dude, although I confess I have to get around to some of them! I think a lot of the movies mentioned in @DragonClaws' Alternative Top Ten of 90's Hong Kong movies could also potentially fit into this thread - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Ramji Posted June 4, 2018 Member Share Posted June 4, 2018 On 6/1/2018 at 1:26 AM, TibetanWhiteCrane said: Cool, thanks. Personally I like Stone Age Warriors a lot. Some goofy comedy, some general HK weirdness, but also some super tight action. Too bad it doesn't have a decent release, but isn't that the same ol' song with so many of these golden era HK action joints? Yeah I've never seen it before but just checked and someones uploaded it on youtube so I'll watch it there. Have wanted to watch it for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted June 5, 2018 Member Share Posted June 5, 2018 Stone Age Warriors(1991) is a title that comes up now and again on the forums, from from what little I know, it just sounds like one OTT flick. No chance of this getting HD release anytime soon, but did it ever make it to DVD?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted June 5, 2018 Member Share Posted June 5, 2018 Nope, only LD and below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted June 6, 2018 Member Share Posted June 6, 2018 22 hours ago, TibetanWhiteCrane said: Nope, only LD and below. While I dont have a laser disc player, I guess a LD release is better than nothing. A title thats more likely to get a fan-project release, than a legit one?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted June 6, 2018 Member Share Posted June 6, 2018 I have a VHS rip, or perhaps a botched LD rip, I'm not sure. But if it is LD, then some jerkoff obviously tried to color correct it or something, making the whole thing entirely too dark. I think there's better versions out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Member ShawAngela Posted June 8, 2018 Member Share Posted June 8, 2018 On 6/5/2018 at 10:18 PM, DragonClaws said: Stone Age Warriors(1991) is a title that comes up now and again on the forums, from from what little I know, it just sounds like one OTT flick. No chance of this getting HD release anytime soon, but did it ever make it to DVD?. I think that I already saw a vcd version somewhere on ebay or on a Chinese site, I don't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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