Member Skepparkrans Posted November 10, 2012 Member Share Posted November 10, 2012 If you have missed it, lovehkfilm.com have a reader vote for the best 100 Hong Kong movies and the best Hong Kong film performance ever.. check it out and vote! I have to think about this for a while.. i will see if i can make a top 20 list and vote... decisions, decisions..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member pratty Posted November 13, 2012 Member Share Posted November 13, 2012 I'd like to vote but I probably won't due to finding it hard to commit to a top 10. I wonder what would people would expect to win? A Better Tomorrow? 36 Chambers Of Shaolin? Chungking Express? Or maybe something less obvious? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member masterofoneinchpunch Posted November 13, 2012 Member Share Posted November 13, 2012 I think the top 10 will be something obvious. I don't like the criteria for post 1997 films: However, if it’s a post-1997 China or Hong Kong film, you can vote for it provided that it received some form of release (video or theatrical) in Hong Kong. The easiest way to handle this qualification: Was it made after 1997 and did it get a Hong Kong DVD release? If so, it’s fair game. Here is several thousand words on my top 50 HK films I did a few years ago. Honestly I don't think my top 20 has changed that much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member 66 Mantis Posted November 13, 2012 Member Share Posted November 13, 2012 Here's the Top 10 (plus the next 10) that I submitted for 'A Hero Never Dies" just a few months ago. They haven't changed, so I'll probably submit this same list to lovehkfilm. http://farreachingfilms.blogspot.com/2012/08/my-top-ten-favorite-hong-kong-films.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member pratty Posted November 13, 2012 Member Share Posted November 13, 2012 I think the top 10 will be something obvious. I don't like the criteria for post 1997 films: Here is several thousand words on my top 50 HK films I did a few years ago. Honestly I don't think my top 20 has changed that much. A strong list of films there, the order might be a bit different but I'd have an awful lot of the same films in my top 50. I'm glad you rate The Mission and Throwdown as highly as I do. I also like the fact that you're not afraid to list a lot of recent films. Sometimes people can be a bit too "nothing's as good as it used to be" about these things. I enjoyed reading that by the way, I've never thought of Hardboiled as an allegory for the handover, you learn something new everyday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member masterofoneinchpunch Posted November 13, 2012 Member Share Posted November 13, 2012 A strong list of films there, the order might be a bit different but I'd have an awful lot of the same films in my top 50. I'm glad you rate The Mission and Throwdown as highly as I do. I also like the fact that you're not afraid to list a lot of recent films. Sometimes people can be a bit too "nothing's as good as it used to be" about these things. Thank you. First with lists like this you have to be honest with yourself regardless if it gets too heavy in one direction of another. A corollary is the lists that only show the recent films. I really don't want to see too many newer Mainland wuxia films on a list . I'm a pretty big Johnnie To fan so he certainly is going to make the list then and now. And he has made some great films (in my opinion) over the past few decades (including ones where he took over direction). I"ve read 66 Mantis's list (I need to get/see On the Run, Dangerous Encounters of the First Kind), do you have one pratty? Is anyone going to vote for something like Red Cliff (a film I personally love, if you count both parts as one like A Chinese Odyssey)? It passes their criteria, but is it a "HK film?" In the meantime I've been trying to fill some unwatched spots. I went through God of Gamblers II, III, Return the past few weeks. I'm almost done with Where's Officer Tuba. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member pratty Posted November 13, 2012 Member Share Posted November 13, 2012 Here's the Top 10 (plus the next 10) that I submitted for 'A Hero Never Dies" just a few months ago. They haven't changed, so I'll probably submit this same list to lovehkfilm. http://farreachingfilms.blogspot.com/2012/08/my-top-ten-favorite-hong-kong-films.html Interesting that you pick both Protect A movies, I think when doing a top ten list people will refrain from including two of the same thing for sake of variety. But if you think those are the best then sometimes it just gots to be that way. Once I was thinking what my five favourite video games where and I thought there is a very good chane they could all be Zelda games I just rate them so much, lol. As for me I might have a crack at a top 20, 10 might be too hard to commit to. Though I've always said Miracles (aka Mr Canton and Lady Rose) is my favourite so at least I have a that decided. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member 66 Mantis Posted November 13, 2012 Member Share Posted November 13, 2012 Interesting that you pick both Protect A movies, I think when doing a top ten list people will refrain from including two of the same thing for sake of variety. But if you think those are the best then sometimes it just gots to be that way. Once I was thinking what my five favourite video games where and I thought there is a very good chane they could all be Zelda games I just rate them so much, lol. As for me I might have a crack at a top 20, 10 might be too hard to commit to. Though I've always said Miracles (aka Mr Canton and Lady Rose) is my favourite so at least I have a that decided. You should really try to come up with a Top 20, especially if they are comprised of less popular titles (not too many would have Miracles listed as their fave Jackie). It would definately help make the final list less predictable and more interesting. As for having both Project As. I just think those are his two best realized films and the two I find myself watching the most. To me, they're the closest he's ever come to remaking a classic American silent comedy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member pratty Posted November 13, 2012 Member Share Posted November 13, 2012 Thank you. First with lists like this you have to be honest with yourself regardless if it gets too heavy in one direction of another. A corollary is the lists that only show the recent films. I really don't want to see too many newer Mainland wuxia films on a list . I'm a pretty big Johnnie To fan so he certainly is going to make the list then and now. And he has made some great films (in my opinion) over the past few decades (including ones where he took over direction). I"ve read 66 Mantis's list (I need to get/see On the Run, Dangerous Encounters of the First Kind), do you have one pratty? Is anyone going to vote for something like Red Cliff (a film I personally love, if you count both parts as one like A Chinese Odyssey)? It passes their criteria, but is it a "HK film?" In the meantime I've been trying to fill some unwatched spots. I went through God of Gamblers II, III, Return the past few weeks. I'm almost done with Where's Officer Tuba. It's times like this when I really just how many great films there are from Hong Kong, picking a top ten just gets more and more daunting, lol. I also really need to rewatch a lot of films too. I'm a big Johnnie To fan myself, I'd say he's probably leap frogged Tsui Hark and John Woo as my favourite HK director. I agree with being honest, there are lots of "classics" I almost feel duty bound and obligated to list such as 36 Chambers, Fist Of Fury, A Touch Of Zen etc, but the truth is there are other films I personally just enjoy watching more. Can't give you a definitive list at the moment but here are some films of the top of my head that I would consider would be my favourites (in no order): Miracles Once Upon A Time In China Once Upon A Time In China 3 (I think I actually prefer this to 2) Drunken Master 2 Police Story Infernal Affairs Beast Cops The Mission Exiled Throwdown Bullets Over Summer Fearless Ip Man Ip Man 2 SPL Flashpoint Running Out Of Time Shaolin Soccer Kung Fu Hustle King Of Beggars King Of Comedy Hard Bolied New Dragon Gate Inn Iron Monkey Project A Dragons Forever I'm sure I'm forgetting loads too, and some I just need to re-watch and evaluate, such as Green Snake. As you can see I'm just not that into Bruce Lee or Shaw Brothers that much, though I suspect Come Drink With Me should be listed but I've only seen it the once. That said I've only seen Bullets Over Summer once, and I don't actually have it on DVD yet (need to sort that out), but for some rerason I'm more confident about including that. As I say I'm going on memory but I would recommend it if you like patient films like The Mission, it's about cops on a stakeout, not quite the guns blazing actioner the title suggests. I think I read somewhere it's the best film where nothing happens, lol. It has Francis Ng and Louis Koo in it, I remember Ng being really good. While I do like films such as A Better Tomorrow and The Killer, I just prefer Hardboiled. It might not be a better film, just more enjoyable to watch if that makes sense? I have enjoyed most Wong Kar Wai films I've seen such as In the Mood For Love, but they're just not favourites, I much prefer thrillers (especially Johnnie To style) to dramas. I'm also thinking about Films like Hero, House Of THe Flying Daggers and CTHD, not sure if they are considered Hong Kong films though, probably not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member 66 Mantis Posted November 13, 2012 Member Share Posted November 13, 2012 One thing this thread is doing is reminding me how few post 1997 Hong Kong films I've actually seen, particularly Johnnie To's films. I'm a pure late 60s - early 90s guy and probably need to expand my horizons a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member pratty Posted November 14, 2012 Member Share Posted November 14, 2012 One thing this thread is doing is reminding me how few post 1997 Hong Kong films I've actually seen, particularly Johnnie To's films. I'm a pure late 60s - early 90s guy and probably need to expand my horizons a bit. Johnnie To's are a great place to start. But there are some other great thrillers/crime dramas such as the Infernal Affairs trilogy, Protege and Beast Cops (though that was 1998 so not super recent). It probably goes without saying but for for martial arts most of Donnie Yen's recent films should be on your radar too if they aren't already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Here's what I voted for........... 1. The Killer 2. Bullet in the Head 3. Eastern Condors 4. Police Story 5. Peking Opera Blues 6. Mr. Vampire 7. Fist of Fury 8. Eight-Diagram Pole Fighter 9. Dragons Forever 10. Once Upon a Time in China 11. Once Upon a Time in China II 12. Millionaires' Express 13. A Better Tomorrow 14. Hard-Boiled 15. Wild Search 16. Heroes of the East 17. Killer Constable 18. The Secret of the Dirk 19. Temple of the Red Lotus 20. Mr. Canton & Lady Rose It's impossible to be exact in the order but hopefully a 0.5 vote won't make a huge difference to a film's eventual placement. I had to leave off a few faves naturally and I'm not setting my list in stone but right now that's how I feel. I never realised until reading this thread that I've not chosen a single post-handover title or Chinese co-production. Hmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ToryK Posted November 14, 2012 Member Share Posted November 14, 2012 It's gonna be fun. Isn't it funny what geeks like us get excited about? I haven't made my list yet, but I imagine it'll have a few of these on it: Project A II Police Story Drunken Master 2 Hard Boiled The Killer Fallen Angels Chungking Express The Mission Exiled Crippled Avengers Maybe some Stephen Chow, an old-school Sammo movie, maybe Iron Monkey. I have a stack of HK movies I should probably watch before I make the list (Peking Opera Blues, Beast Cops, In the Mood for Love), so I need to get on those. And there are a few movies that are considered classics that I'll probably ignore 'cause I find them to be a tad bit overrated (36th Chamber, Infernal Affairs). Johnnie To's a boss though, so he'll surely show up more than once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member masterofoneinchpunch Posted November 14, 2012 Member Share Posted November 14, 2012 ...A Touch Of Zen etc, but the truth is there are other films I personally just enjoy watching more. ...I'm also thinking about Films like Hero, House Of THe Flying Daggers and CTHD, not sure if they are considered Hong Kong films though, probably not. You can always ignore A Touch of Zen since it is Taiwanese (this has not stopped by Stephen Teo and David Bordwell for putting it on their top HK lists). If the director is from the mainland like Zhang Yimou (whom I'm a big fan of) and even if it is a coproduction I will not put it on the list. Hmm, not neorealist Cantonese social dramas from the 50s? I've seen/own a few though none make my top 100 right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted November 14, 2012 Member Share Posted November 14, 2012 Can't do it, cuz I just can't narrow it down to 20. I once made a list of my five favorite HK films from every year from 1970-2009. Funny, some years (especially in the late 70's and 80's) i was struggling like a mofo to narrow it down to five, and in the mid to late 90's and the 00's I could barely find five movies I even liked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member masterofoneinchpunch Posted November 14, 2012 Member Share Posted November 14, 2012 Can't do it, cuz I just can't narrow it down to 20. I once made a list of my five favorite HK films from every year from 1970-2009. Funny, some years (especially in the late 70's and 80's) i was struggling like a mofo to narrow it down to five, and in the mid to late 90's and the 00's I could barely find five movies I even liked. Do you still have that list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member odioustrident Posted November 14, 2012 Member Share Posted November 14, 2012 I don't know much about the more "complete" Hong Kong films that aren't pure genre offerings, but does Shanghai Grand deserve a mention? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 A Touch of Zen might be a Taiwan-Hong Kong co-production? I'd need to check. And some of Zheng Yimou's films are Hong Kong productions or co-productions (i.e. Raise the Red Lantern). It's not easy to decide what to include and exclude based on vague rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted November 14, 2012 Member Share Posted November 14, 2012 Do you still have that list? Yeah, I can post it if someone wants to see it. There are a few taiwanese flicks on as well. Also made a similar list on Hollywood films (included european films on that). It was 10 faves from every year from 1940-1999. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member masterofoneinchpunch Posted November 14, 2012 Member Share Posted November 14, 2012 Yeah, I can post it if someone wants to see it. There are a few taiwanese flicks on as well. Also made a similar list on Hollywood films (included european films on that). It was 10 faves from every year from 1940-1999. Yeah posts links to them they sound like fun reads. When the rules are vague I put my own restrictions on them . Most of the times with coproductions you have one more dominant side to the film (sides will vary). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member 66 Mantis Posted November 15, 2012 Member Share Posted November 15, 2012 Yeah, I can post it if someone wants to see it. There are a few taiwanese flicks on as well. Also made a similar list on Hollywood films (included european films on that). It was 10 faves from every year from 1940-1999. I'd love to see it. I'm a list freak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member YnEoS Posted November 18, 2012 Member Share Posted November 18, 2012 Yeah, I can post it if someone wants to see it. There are a few taiwanese flicks on as well. Also made a similar list on Hollywood films (included european films on that). It was 10 faves from every year from 1940-1999. Agreed, both lists would greatly interest me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted November 18, 2012 Member Share Posted November 18, 2012 Agreed, both lists would greatly interest me. Posted both in the general discussion section.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member 66 Mantis Posted November 18, 2012 Member Share Posted November 18, 2012 I think it would be fun to see everyone's individual lists. Maybe after you've subnmitted them, you can also post it here? Just a thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ToryK Posted November 19, 2012 Member Share Posted November 19, 2012 I think it would be fun to see everyone's individual lists. Maybe after you've subnmitted them, you can also post it here? Just a thought... For sure. I'll post mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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