Member ShaOW!linDude Posted December 13, 2011 Member Share Posted December 13, 2011 I just saw this linked to the behind-the-scenes clip in the "Chinese Zodiac" thread. I've never heard of him but this kid has chops!!!! Somebody needs to scoop him up and put him to work! KcR-vO0nRxU Some if this is demo stuff. But some looks to be taken from some film or short film work he's done. Anyone recognize any of this? I'd love to know. On viewing it again, that looks to be Eric Jacobus he's fighting with at the 1:15-17 mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member AlbertV Posted December 13, 2011 Member Share Posted December 13, 2011 I just saw this linked to the behind-the-scenes clip in the "Chinese Zodiac" thread. I've never heard of him but this kid has chops!!!! Somebody needs to scoop him up and put him to work! KcR-vO0nRxU Some if this is demo stuff. But some looks to be taken from some film or short film work he's done. Anyone recognize any of this? I'd love to know. On viewing it again, that looks to be Eric Jacobus he's fighting with at the 1:15-17 mark. I was thinking about it...there was a SP member named Andy Leung and I wonder if it is the same person, just changing his surname to make it sound professional because that clip looked familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ShaOW!linDude Posted December 13, 2011 Author Member Share Posted December 13, 2011 Yeah, I thought so, too. So, I checked my reviews. But they're not the same guy. They don't look alike. This guy is somebody new to me. Here's the bit he did with EJ. I knew I'd seen this before. It's got its own thread on here: The Informant. g4vaFaGVBS0 In the credits it states: Andy Long (Andreas Nguyen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member blue_skies Posted December 14, 2011 Member Share Posted December 14, 2011 I just saw the action reel and Andy Long is very impressive. The thing I don't understand is why talented On-screen martial artists aren't being given the chance to make good films? I'm wondering if it's a deliberate ploy from those with power and influence like Jackie Chan, Jet Li, Donnie Yen etc who see these talented youngsters and pulls strings so that they never get the opportunities they had? Obviously as they got older I can't compete and this keeps them at the top if they never get their big breaks. I mean whatever happened to the competitive spirit within the action moving to out do whoever is doing the most thrilling action? Tony Jaa kicked things up a level and Hong Kong still hasn't met the challenge. What the fuck! I'm also wondering whether there is a conspiracy within the movie industry itself. with so much money at stake production companies and studios don't want their star vehicles being upstaged by low-budget high thrill movies. Globally they must make a fortune out of Chan, Li, and Yen. I mean the same with Hollywood if audiences got used to seeing such talented individuals in action films, no need for wire work, no special effects to make the actor do literally amazing things audiences would expect more. I mean why hire talent when you can edit a fight together that appeases audiences? Why spend months in production making the perfect fight when you can fool people with camera trickery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member popsjnr Posted December 14, 2011 Member Share Posted December 14, 2011 I think a talent like Andy Long, who certainly has talent!!!, would be better served by working with Donnie Yen or Sammo Hung, than getting lost amid the showboating of Jackie Chan. It always seems to me that no matter how great the people fighting on-screen with Chan, the focus is stuck on making Chan look amazing to the detriment of whoever he is "duking it out" with. Even Ken Lo in Drunken 2, after his initial WOW leg holding moments, ends up being a punch-bag stooge to Chan. In recent times it's only Scott Adkins in the dreadful Medallion, in that short (far TOO SHORT) burst of 80's style modern day action, that Chan is under pressure...maybe that's because Fatty was calling the shots, and Sammo has always given face to new talent... Of course Chan is the star so the above is understandable, but at least Yen gives the other guy a chance to shine....when people talk about Wu Jing not getting the breaks, look at how good Yen makes him look in SPL, he almost steals the show!!! Imagine a talent like Andy Long in a full-on full contact modern day pub-work Flashpoint-esque battle with Donnie Yen....I reckon it would be wicked!!! and a much better use of his talent than getting the run around from Chan!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator One Armed Boxer Posted December 14, 2011 Moderator Share Posted December 14, 2011 It always seems to me that no matter how great the people fighting on-screen with Chan, the focus is stuck on making Chan look amazing to the detriment of whoever he is "duking it out" with. Even Ken Lo in Drunken 2, after his initial WOW leg holding moments, ends up being a punch-bag stooge to Chan. In recent times it's only Scott Adkins in the dreadful Medallion, in that short (far TOO SHORT) burst of 80's style modern day action, that Chan is under pressure...maybe that's because Fatty was calling the shots, and Sammo has always given face to new talent... Of course Chan is the star so the above is understandable, but at least Yen gives the other guy a chance to shine....when people talk about Wu Jing not getting the breaks, look at how good Yen makes him look in SPL, he almost steals the show!!! Really interesting point of view, for the fact that I actually feel the opposite. Yes Chan has an ego and of course in his movies he will ultimately walk away the victor, but come on, he always takes some serious beatings along the way. From the pummeling that he takes in `Young Master`, even right up to `Drunken Master 2`, Ken Lo still spends a good amount of time kicking the living daylights out of him, so much so that Chan has to drink industrial strength alcohol to have any chance of beating him! I recall reading in the other recent thread about what the appeal of Chan / Sammo / Biao`s movies was...when the poster criticized `The Young Master` final fight for the exact same reason, you came to the movies defense...I don`t see the situation of `Drunken Master 2` being a whole lot different. Yes the Yen vs Wu Jing fight is definitely a highlight of choreography in HK action cinema, but generally I feel like Yen tends to just lay waste to his opponents without there being much of a fight. Even in `Flash Point`, Colin Chou only really gets a few licks in before the remainder of the battle is just Yen laying the beatdown on him over and over again. The same applies to the final confrontation in `Ip Man`, I felt like Yen was in danger for approximately a fraction of a mili-second at best....then it`s here comes the beatdown. Not to take away from either mens talent, but I do think Chan`s final fights are generally more evenly matched than those in Yen`s movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member blue_skies Posted December 14, 2011 Member Share Posted December 14, 2011 I think a talent like Andy Long, who certainly has talent!!!, would be better served by working with Donnie Yen or Sammo Hung, than getting lost amid the showboating of Jackie Chan. It always seems to me that no matter how great the people fighting on-screen with Chan, the focus is stuck on making Chan look amazing to the detriment of whoever he is "duking it out" with. Even Ken Lo in Drunken 2, after his initial WOW leg holding moments, ends up being a punch-bag stooge to Chan. In recent times it's only Scott Adkins in the dreadful Medallion, in that short (far TOO SHORT) burst of 80's style modern day action, that Chan is under pressure...maybe that's because Fatty was calling the shots, and Sammo has always given face to new talent... Of course Chan is the star so the above is understandable, but at least Yen gives the other guy a chance to shine....when people talk about Wu Jing not getting the breaks, look at how good Yen makes him look in SPL, he almost steals the show!!! Imagine a talent like Andy Long in a full-on full contact modern day pub-work Flashpoint-esque battle with Donnie Yen....I reckon it would be wicked!!! and a much better use of his talent than getting the run around from Chan!!! Yes Wu Jing had a chance to shine to make Donnie Yen look good. It's not about making Wu Jing look good, Donnie Yen uses talent to make his own films look better in the same way Jackie Chan does. Since then he's had to take roles in no end of rubbish, in the end forcing him to return back to the mainland because he wasn't getting the parts due to racism. Honestly will Andy Long do any better? It's not just Hong Kong its globally, there are so many talented on-screen martial artists that even if they make a very good low-budget film they struggle to get the next one. Yen, Chan and Li have all had their day it's time for them to make way for the next generation, whatever the cause no one in Hong Kong is really getting a chance to step outside the shadow of the established names. There must be young up-and-coming martial arts talent, in the same way Sammo was driven to make that outstanding movie. There must be a reason why it's not happening? I can't believe that there aren't people out there hungry enough and driven enough, to push themselves like Sammo or Jackie back in the day that are being stopped from taking their chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member popsjnr Posted December 14, 2011 Member Share Posted December 14, 2011 Yo One Armed I dont think you can compare the showcase of bootwork Chan lets Wong In Sik unleash unanswered, for practically 15 minutes, in the classic Young Master, to Drunken 2's (still awesome) bootwork finale...but my point is since Drunken 2 Chan hasnt made one truly great movie...in fact a few of those movies are his worst!!! (you disagree...good, as I say it's just my opinion and I am entitled to express it just as you are). I disgree that Chan's fights are more evenly matched.... in Ip Man Yen's portraying a legendary figure who supposedly never lost once he became a si-fu, so it's not surprising he hardly gets a slap in the finale (it's the same thing with movies about my great-great-grandmaster Wong Fei Hung-who again is famous for never losing a fight). As for Flashpoint I think Yen is showing in the fight with Ngai Sing, how useful MMA grappling work is against a punch/kicker and how it negates that style of fighting...and at least it's fresh. Although I would love to see Yen use that Mount technique against several people then I'd believe in it.... Dont start thinking I am anti-Chan either, it's just I am fed up being disapointed, since Drunken 2 came out really, in the quality of each of his new movies. I dont even bother rushing to get bootlegs anymore, just wait for them to be released as I know i will be unimpressed with them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator One Armed Boxer Posted December 14, 2011 Moderator Share Posted December 14, 2011 Fair enough, of course I respect your opinion.... but my point is since Drunken 2 Chan hasnt made one truly great movie...in fact a few of those movies are his worst!!! (you disagree...good, as I say it's just my opinion and I am entitled to express it just as you are). ....but whoa whoa whoa, that wasn`t what I was disagreeing on! With the exception of `Who Am I?` and `Rumble in the Bronx` to a lesser degree, I completely agree that Chan`s output has been pretty downhill since then. My disagreement was in regards to Yen giving newcomers more of a chance to shine that Chan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member popsjnr Posted December 14, 2011 Member Share Posted December 14, 2011 We can agree to disagree on that one then One Armed...I side with Yen on giving newcomers a chance...but as I say it's just my opinion and I respect yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted December 15, 2011 Member Share Posted December 15, 2011 When I look at stuff like that Andy Long reel, or the stunt people, or The Young Masters from Germany, or guys like Mike Mõller, or even some of the more MA oriented parkour guys making amateur stuff, it really dawns on me how fucking much this genre needs new blood! Seriously, are we really still expecting guys who made movies in the 70's and 80's to deliver the goods?? I love all the old timers to death, but come on.... the time of Jackie Chan, Donnie Yen etc. is OVER! At least in terms of lead action roles. I know the movie bussines (east or west) is pissing their pants in fear over giving a shot to anyone who's not a proven bankable star, but seriously...... SHIT IS GETTING STALE! The old timers should put their egos to rest, and concentrate on behind the camera capacities. I, for one, am more than ready for something fresh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ShaOW!linDude Posted December 15, 2011 Author Member Share Posted December 15, 2011 I know the movie bussines (east or west) is pissing their pants in fear over giving a shot to anyone who's not a proven bankable star True story! How do they expect anyone to prove their bankable-ness if they aren't willing to take a chance on them and provide them with an opportunity? That's why I can't understand why the Stunt People remain relatively obscure, especially Eric Jacobus. That guy is a Grade "A" choreographer in my book. I can't believe he's not getting more chances to do that in film or even tv. Where Golan/Globus when you need 'em? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Drunken Monk Posted December 15, 2011 Member Share Posted December 15, 2011 The problem with this new "YouTube generation" of performers is that the genre is over-saturated. As Parkour and it's offshoot, "Tricking," has become wildly popular, trying to weed out the true potential from the Average Joes must be very hard. I definitely think the focus should be on choreography, choreography, choreography. It seems like a million people can do a back flip but can they look good on screen? The Young Masters' recent "Shadow Plant" displayed an incredible eye for angles, impact and shapes. It's the same with Eric Jacobus (though I think he should stray away from so much angst-ridden drama). We do need new blood, but we also need people to find it. With Gina Carano getting film roles because she's a badass woman, can't someone dip into the wealth of today's amateur talent and pick out some of these people that deserve recognition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member blue_skies Posted December 15, 2011 Member Share Posted December 15, 2011 When I look at stuff like that Andy Long reel, or the stunt people, or The Young Masters from Germany, or guys like Mike Mõller, or even some of the more MA oriented parkour guys making amateur stuff, it really dawns on me how fucking much this genre needs new blood! Seriously, are we really still expecting guys who made movies in the 70's and 80's to deliver the goods?? I love all the old timers to death, but come on.... the time of Jackie Chan, Donnie Yen etc. is OVER! At least in terms of lead action roles. I know the movie bussines (east or west) is pissing their pants in fear over giving a shot to anyone who's not a proven bankable star, but seriously...... SHIT IS GETTING STALE! The old timers should put their egos to rest, and concentrate on behind the camera capacities. I, for one, am more than ready for something fresh! I couldn't agree with you more as it's got to the point where I don't really anticipate the latest movie from Jackie Chan, Donnie Yen or Jet Li. It's the new blood that can pull off the amazing stuff like those guys used to do in their youth. There is just no comparison especially since being in the business so long the likes of Chan, Yen and Li have all been carrying injuries for years and just can't take the punishment on their bodies anymore. I think that's why Donnie films have been drama intensive and he's supposed to be the big guns in Hong Kong at the moment. In essence Hong Kong is just becoming Hollywood with glossy productions that lack the action that made Hong Kong famous in the first place. You see that's what I don't understand about bankable stars. When you're bringing in the new fresh blood you're not paying them star money. It doesn't need to be big budget production to be a great little action film. Just look at what the stunt people have done creating amazing things as amateurs with no budget whatsoever really. You could probably get those guys to make three films for less than $500,000, releasing them straight to DVD airing them on movie channels across the world and the word-of-mouth would soon pick up. Then slowly they could give them bigger budgets as sales increase and they become more popular. Drunken Monk, I don't think the You Tube generation of performers is a bad thing as it makes it easy to find potential performers. I'm sure like regular acting gigs they could easily arrange for lots of these performers to attend a special session where they root out the wanna be's and find the real talent. As for people finding it I think that will be a slow process unless the studios put time and money into promoting these films, which isn't going to happen for some time I wouldn't think. It would most likely happen over time as word-of-mouth spreads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted December 16, 2011 Member Share Posted December 16, 2011 If someone could mix all of this together, in a cohesive structure, with a decent story, and some cool characters that you actually cared about, then you would pretty much blow everyone else away!!!!! Young Masters Young Masters Mike Mõller Damien Walters Sadly, no one in the bussines has the vision or BALLS to do so. Like Blue_Skies said, it could be done for a meagre budget, and still look great! P.S. How the F do I imbed tube vids on here???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member AlbertV Posted December 16, 2011 Member Share Posted December 16, 2011 P.S. How the F do I imbed tube vids on here???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ShaOW!linDude Posted December 16, 2011 Author Member Share Posted December 16, 2011 Young Masters U5N80m0LA7E Young Masters hVdJrzJLBic Mike Mõller qH57eyBubq4 Damien Walters zQgFxDSqft4 There you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted December 17, 2011 Member Share Posted December 17, 2011 Thanks, dudes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member popsjnr Posted December 17, 2011 Member Share Posted December 17, 2011 Just found by accident two videos of a guy called Tim Man, looks like a traditional karate guy who has crossed trained in Wu Shu and acrobatics...and I think he is the best kicker I have EVER seen.... vertical sidekicks and legholding....jesus christ...weapons and flips...why isnt THIS guy in HK movies, he could be a venom!! He is making me ILL...AWESOME TALENT RESPECT DUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Reel Power Stunts Posted December 17, 2011 Member Share Posted December 17, 2011 Pretty sure he gets to show his stuff in "Ong Bak 2" and "Bangkok Adrenaline". Definitely talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted December 17, 2011 Member Share Posted December 17, 2011 Sick skills!!! Of course, for him to work in movies, he had to understand and be able to perform fight choreo, which, as we all know, is not a given just because you have great MA skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted December 17, 2011 Member Share Posted December 17, 2011 Oh so he was in movies??? Must have missed him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ShaOW!linDude Posted December 17, 2011 Author Member Share Posted December 17, 2011 Some sick skills, indeed! Okay, okay, okay........Somebody needs to get Mike Moller and Tim Man together and do a film. One can be the hero and the other the villain. Doesn't matter which. And let Moller choreograph it. Holy cow! That guy puts together some great combo's!!!! Damien Walters? Sheesh! Put him on the US team and let him do an Olympic male gymnast floor routine! That guy's phenomenal!!!! He's insane! Why wasn't he in FREERUNNER? That movie would've been awesome then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member andy338 Posted December 17, 2011 Member Share Posted December 17, 2011 Damien Walters used to represent Great Britain as a gymnast specialising in tumbling, he has been involved in films for a while now working as a stuntman on a number of movies including Hellboy 2, Ninja Assassin and the new Sherlock Holmes movie Game of Shadows. I think he was actually talent spotted by none other than Jackie Chan stunt team member Brad Allen who after seeing his showreel signed him up for Hellboy 2 on which he (Brad) was stunt coordinator. Another brit martial artist Ashley Beck is now working as a stuntman too, an amazing kicker and trickster (acrobatic martial arts moves) expect to see more of him in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member ShaOW!linDude Posted December 18, 2011 Author Member Share Posted December 18, 2011 Ashley Beck. Yeah, man, I have The Purifiers dvd and liked the action in that film. Like that showreel, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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