Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted October 14, 2012 Member Share Posted October 14, 2012 For me classic Bond was from Dr. No to License To Kill. Never got much enjoyment out of the Brosnan era. Goldeneye wasn't too bad, but from then on they just got worse, culminating with the atrocious Die Another Day. I don't care that much about the reboot Bonds, though I wouldn't like to see them turn into the Bond equivalent of the Star Wars prequels. Respect what came before. Don't betray your characters and your universe. Set the trends, don't follow them. Are you hearing me, Bond producers? I think Cubby Broccoli WAS the Bond franchise more than we'll ever know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Funny thing is you've typed it, said it and made a deal out of it causing others to also type it all while being in an uproar about its use in a movie that kids will see. Kids come here. They'll get it more in this thread than in the movie. You've clearly missed my point... I'm talking about SKYFALL not this forum or any other walk of life. Are you being dense on purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member blue_skies Posted October 15, 2012 Member Share Posted October 15, 2012 . Set the trends, don't follow them. Are you hearing me, Bond producers? . I couldn't agree more as Bond has lost its identity. It's unsure whether to hang onto the past or imitate Bourne and sits squarely in the middle. To be fair it's unlikely Bond or any other big, long-running franchise is ever going to set the trends. With so much money involved and potential for making money, no one wants to rock the boat as they try to change with the times but keep audiences happy with what they have come to love and expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member loempiavreter Posted October 15, 2012 Member Share Posted October 15, 2012 Hell, why not just have Danny Dyer play Bond from now on, with his cockney slang making your ears bleed every two seconds. Nowt wrong wiv cockney rhyming me china 'ave a buthers , Danny Dyer ain't a good'un, but dun bovver wiv 'im... Your right though James Bond is clearly from the West End with his fancy accent like all those ponces over there, def not from the East End of London... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member rdenn Posted October 15, 2012 Member Share Posted October 15, 2012 cockney bond that would be a good spoof movie, clive owen would be a good choice for bond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member BaronK Posted October 15, 2012 Member Share Posted October 15, 2012 Dense? No. Read what I wrote. Stop. Read what you opened with. Then read through the thread. Then read what I wrote again. Do I get what you were opening with? Yes. Speaking in most focused, specific, tunnel visioned way, its clear as a clear day. Read the thread and you should see why I said what I did. I mean that in the thread as a whole, not you specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted October 15, 2012 Member Share Posted October 15, 2012 No ones in an uproar, dude.... just venting.... that's what we do here, in case you hadn't noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member popsjnr Posted October 15, 2012 Member Share Posted October 15, 2012 the movie cant be to bad, it got 5 stars in The Times review As for someone slating all of Brosnan's Bonds (except Goldeneye) I personally thought Tomorrow Never Dies and World Is Not Enough were at least as good as that, and although Die Another Day is pretty bad I always thought View To A Kill will always be the worst of all the series a geriatric secret agent hobbling around Paris and America....Q should have given him a Stannah stair lift for his gadget the Daniel Craig reboots are some of the finest of all the Bonds, and I think if Craig does a few more he will become the definitive Bond....which at the moment to me remains Dalton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Dense? No. Read what I wrote. Stop. Read what you opened with. Then read through the thread. Then read what I wrote again. Do I get what you were opening with? Yes. Speaking in most focused, specific, tunnel visioned way, its clear as a clear day. Read the thread and you should see why I said what I did. I mean that in the thread as a whole, not you specifically. Oh, I understood what you were saying. I just felt it was pointlessly snide and irrelevant. If you don't agree with me about swearing in Skyfall, that's fine, but argue your point, don't make smart arse remarks about the language used in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted October 15, 2012 Member Share Posted October 15, 2012 the movie cant be to bad, it got 5 stars in The Times review As for someone slating all of Brosnan's Bonds (except Goldeneye) I personally thought Tomorrow Never Dies and World Is Not Enough were at least as good as that, and although Die Another Day is pretty bad I always thought View To A Kill will always be the worst of all the series a geriatric secret agent hobbling around Paris and America....Q should have given him a Stannah stair lift for his gadget the Daniel Craig reboots are some of the finest of all the Bonds, and I think if Craig does a few more he will become the definitive Bond....which at the moment to me remains Dalton I agree that A View To A Kill was a lowpoint. TND and TWINE had some good spots, but I had just kinda lost interest by that point. And yes, Dalton is my favourite Bond too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I don't mind A View to a Kill, even though Moore is clearly too old. For me the series low point was Live and Let Die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Killer Meteor Posted October 15, 2012 Member Share Posted October 15, 2012 I don't mind A View to a Kill, even though Moore is clearly too old. For me the series low point was Live and Let Die. A View to A Kill is awesome fun. Its very cheesy 80s stuff, but I like that. Was unhappy they killed off Patrick Macnee though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Killer Meteor Posted October 15, 2012 Member Share Posted October 15, 2012 It's worth pointing out that Sherrif J W Pepper says the f-word in LALD - though he gets cut off. And swearing is less bad then Bond making Quarrel fetch his shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted October 15, 2012 Member Share Posted October 15, 2012 I don't mind A View to a Kill, even though Moore is clearly too old. For me the series low point was Live and Let Die. Really, I love LALD. In terms of the older Bonds I think Diamonds Are Forever is a much weaker effort. It's fun how we all love the series, but within that, have such varying taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Killer Meteor Posted October 15, 2012 Member Share Posted October 15, 2012 I think I love em all apart from Moonraker, Octopussy, Tomorrow Never Dies, World Is Not Enough, Die Another Day and Quantum Of Solace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted October 15, 2012 Member Share Posted October 15, 2012 I fucking looove Moonraker..... I know it's a ludicrious movie, but I can't help it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member jmungus Posted October 15, 2012 Member Share Posted October 15, 2012 Really, I love LALD. In terms of the older Bonds I think Diamonds Are Forever is a much weaker effort. It's fun how we all love the series, but within that, have such varying taste. hehe, true indeed. here go my bond preferences: diggin moonraker a lot as well. i also liked LALD to some degree, tho there are better 70s 007s. my fave RM-Bond is most likely FYEO, followed by TSWLM and MR. Octopussy i thought was just okay, but its a winner vs LALD. AVTAK- watchable, but thats about it. DAF is pretty low on my list as well. i dont mind a single one of Brosnans 007 outings, although they all come with pros and cons. in the case of DAD, many many cons. i guess i liked the michelle yeoh one best (TWINE ?!?!). both CR and QoS were rather overrated imo. over-hyped anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Killer Meteor Posted October 15, 2012 Member Share Posted October 15, 2012 I saw Tomorrow Never Dies on tv back when i was 13, long before my kung fu interest. Years later, I was told Phillip Kwok was in it as the General. I thought "awesome", rushed to buy the dvd and...all he does is walk past the camera once! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Was unhappy they killed off Patrick Macnee though... Two things bothered me about that. 1. He seems to get killed too early in the proceedings (although that may be because I liked his double act with Bond). 2. Bond doesn't ever his revenge (because the filmmakers decided to turn Mayday into a hero at the end). The film is good fun though. It's worth pointing out that Sherrif J W Pepper says the f-word in LALD - though he gets cut off. The most annoying character in a Bond movie... and a bit of a cheap joke (but at least the had the sense to mute the bulk of the word). Surprised the BBFC didn't re-rate that '12' as their policy doesn't allow partial strong language at PG level (although the inconsitancy with BBFC ratings is sometimes staggering). And swearing is less bad then Bond making Quarrel fetch his shoes. I don't see what connection there is between the two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Really, I love LALD. In terms of the older Bonds I think Diamonds Are Forever is a much weaker effort. It's fun how we all love the series, but within that, have such varying taste. The poorest Bond films were made between 1971-1974 - and all three were written by Tom Mankywits. No coincidence. Of the three DIAMONDS is the worst... followed by LIVE and then finally GOLDEN GUN (the most amusing of the three). 1977's SPY was a return to form. I think I love em all apart from Moonraker, Octopussy, Tomorrow Never Dies, World Is Not Enough, Die Another Day and Quantum Of Solace. MOON is very silly... but fun. OCTOPUSSY is my fave Moore Bond. TOMMOROW I loved when it came out (not so much now, but it;s still good). WORLD is good (apart from Denise Richards). DIE is uneven... first third is solid, gets silly after that. As for QUANTUM... well I'm one of the few it seems who gave it a rave review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 My order for individual Bonds (best to worst): Connery: Goldfinger From Russia with Love Dr. No Thunderball You Only Live Twice Diamonds are Forever Moore: Octopussy The Spy Who Loved Me A View to a Kill Moonraker For Your Eyes Only The Man with the Golden Gun Live and Let Die Dalton: Licence to Kill (possibly my all-time fave) The Living Daylights Brosnan: Goldeneye The World is Not Enough Tomorrow Never Dies Die Another Day Craig: Casino Royale (I've got the new uncut BD on its way!) Quantum of Solace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted October 16, 2012 Member Share Posted October 16, 2012 Oh, we're doing this now..... Im game.... Connery: You Only Live Twice Goldfinger From Russia With Love Thunderball Dr. No Diamonds Are Forever Moore: For Your Eyes Only The Spy Who Loved Me Moonraker Live And Let Die The Man With The Golden Gun Ocropussy A View To Kill Dalton: The Living Daylights License To Kill Brosnan: Goldeneye Tomorrow Never Dies The World Is Not Enough Die Another Day Craig: Casino Royale Quantum Of Solace On Her Majestys Secret Service is my second fave Bond of the 60's after YOLT. Never Say Never Again is just tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Markgway Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Never Say Never Again is awful. Although this redux almost makes it look promising... ...and this is the superior theme song the filmmakers wanted to use but couldn't for legal reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member TibetanWhiteCrane Posted October 17, 2012 Member Share Posted October 17, 2012 It's funny, does anyone know why Connery agreed to do NSNA? I know he came back for DAF only so he could set up some kind of charitable fund in Scotland, and gave his entire salary towards that. But why NSNA? You would think that he felt some sort of allegiance to Broccoli and the EON gang, but I guess not. Has he ever talked about this, his motivations for doing it, and feelings about the finished film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member mpm74 Posted October 17, 2012 Member Share Posted October 17, 2012 Licence to Kill (possibly my all-time fave) The underwater scene where he shoots his spear gun (I forget what you call these things) to make a quick, water-ski escape is classic. One of my favorite movies as well. Here are my choices for the best Bond films of each actor: Connery: Goldfinger Lazenby: Stoner Moore: The Spy Who Loved Me Dalton: License To Kill Brosnan: Tomorrow Never Dies Craig: Casino Royale (this may change next month) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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