Member paimeifist Posted January 29, 2015 Member Share Posted January 29, 2015 Excuse my ignorance, but I have a few questions. Firstly, why was this broadcast considered infamous? Secondly, and maybe I should know this, but why would anyone want to poison him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Phantom Dreamer Posted January 29, 2015 Member Share Posted January 29, 2015 Excuse my ignorance, but I have a few questions. Firstly, why was this broadcast considered infamous? Secondly, and maybe I should know this, but why would anyone want to poison him? Well, to answer your first question, this appearance followed the "Lo Wei incident" and there was a moment where it appeared that while demonstrating a movement, apparently Bruce Lee shoved the interviewer quite hard. It was also Bruce Lee's final television appearance. As for your second question, the list of reasons is long. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member sdog2006 Posted January 29, 2015 Author Member Share Posted January 29, 2015 Excuse my ignorance, but I have a few questions. Firstly, why was this broadcast considered infamous? Secondly, and maybe I should know this, but why would anyone want to poison him? Here is an interview with Ivan Ho Bee, who interviewed Lee that night. Here Ho Bee discusses what went down. The push Bruce Lee gave him was arranged pre-interview and wasn't really a big deal. Lee's reputation was faltering in Hong Kong, at that time, because he was perceived as being "severely" egotistical and up himself. That perhaps contributed to the audience reaction. I personally don't feel Lee was poisoned but the Nepalese junk he was ingesting killed him - period. I've lost count of the amount of idiots who say things like "cannabis loves people" bla bla bla. Thing is they people have never taken the stuff Lee did and they don't have 1% body fat. Lee's body chemistry HAS TO BE factored in and rarely is. In my opinion he died of drug idiosyncrasy and was pre-warned two months earlier when he collapsed. Doesn't take a slide rule. Whether someone purposefully laced his stash with something we'll never know but it is possible and, as one of the guys said, there was a long queue of enemies. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member The Dragon Posted January 30, 2015 Member Share Posted January 30, 2015 It was never established from where, did he get this cannibis... That would've seemed the way to go. Then who had access... I think the real reason Betty and Chow didn't call for ambulance immediately is they were cleaning the apt. and getting rid of any questionable material that won implicate unsavory activity. It all backfired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member paimeifist Posted January 30, 2015 Member Share Posted January 30, 2015 It is strange they would call a personal doctor in such an emergency situation. (As opposed to an emergency number). While reading about his last day, this was the biggest red flag to me, and what makes the situation seem very fishy, and points to possible poisoning. With that said, taking multiple different types of drugs is usually not good. I did a little bit of research on it his death and these two seem to be te only reasonable explanations. (Drugs, foul play, or both) Now for another question, why did he have so many enemies? This may sound like a dumb question, but I wasn't around during that time.. So to me, he was just an actor, and I'd think all of his philosophy shit caught fire well after his death. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted January 30, 2015 Member Share Posted January 30, 2015 He clearly had a big interest in philosophy and read a lot on the subject. The Bruce Lee estate has played a huge role in bringing more attention to this side of his character. I don't think it did catch on with the public until after his death?. But I could be wrong? his friends and the people who were there would be more informed about that. A lot of actors and performers were jealous of him. He came onto the scene very quickly in Hong Kong and had a lot of box office success. Lee was also known to be someone who spoke his mind. He often did this on public radio interviews T.V shows and in magazines etc. Some things are not always best shared in public but he didn't appear to care. He never had many positive things to say about the HK film industry either. If the triads were running as much of it as people say, then these comments were not not going to sit well with them. Refusing to cough up tea money is a big enough reason alone to be very hated there too. The guy basically came to HK and starting changing the industry. There were many veterans of the business there that didn't like this change. Shaw's pretty much had the film industry to themselves in HK and Bruce Lee helped there small time rivals get big and fast. Just my thoughts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member sdog2006 Posted January 30, 2015 Author Member Share Posted January 30, 2015 It was never established from where, did he get this cannibis... That would've seemed the way to go. Then who had access... I think the real reason Betty and Chow didn't call for ambulance immediately is they were cleaning the apt. and getting rid of any questionable material that won implicate unsavory activity. It all backfired. Once the inquest was completed, and the fix was in, the cannabis was dismissed. It was a cover up at government level over there. I think Bruce was long gone by the time Chow got involved. Ting Pei was thick as mince and just looked on as he experienced convulsions and probably sat around praying for a miracle. She would have been scared to call emergency services for fear of Bruce's reaction to any media attention. Just one big f*ck up, to say the least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member sdog2006 Posted January 30, 2015 Author Member Share Posted January 30, 2015 It is strange they would call a personal doctor in such an emergency situation. (As opposed to an emergency number). While reading about his last day, this was the biggest red flag to me, and what makes the situation seem very fishy, and points to possible poisoning. With that said, taking multiple different types of drugs is usually not good. I did a little bit of research on it his death and these two seem to be te only reasonable explanations. (Drugs, foul play, or both) Now for another question, why did he have so many enemies? This may sound like a dumb question, but I wasn't around during that time.. So to me, he was just an actor, and I'd think all of his philosophy shit caught fire well after his death. The main enemies were triads who Lee refused to play ball with. Factor in that Lo Wei allegedly had serious connections with them and that is probably the number one murder/ conspiracy theory. With that said, you also have scores of people who he either insulted or beat the shit out of. Take your pick bro. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member The Dragon Posted February 1, 2015 Member Share Posted February 1, 2015 Wonder why nobody ever interviewed the EMT 's who drove the ambulance? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member sdog2006 Posted February 1, 2015 Author Member Share Posted February 1, 2015 Wonder why nobody ever interviewed the EMT 's who drove the ambulance? Fine point mate. Dead by that time though. Who went with him incidentally? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Phantom Dreamer Posted February 1, 2015 Member Share Posted February 1, 2015 Wonder why nobody ever interviewed the EMT 's who drove the ambulance? Out of sight, out of mind. If you're not willing to go on the record, there'll be no record, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted December 17, 2019 Member Share Posted December 17, 2019 Could one of the moderators please move this thread into the Bruce Lee forum?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Cognoscente Posted June 23, 2021 Member Share Posted June 23, 2021 Imagine if Bruce Lee never left HK in 1959. If he became a Shaw Brothers actor, there's a good chance that he would have gone on to do countless martial arts shows on TVB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted June 25, 2021 Member Share Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 3:16 PM, Cognoscente said: Imagine if Bruce Lee never left HK in 1959. If he became a Shaw Brothers actor, there's a good chance that he would have gone on to do countless martial arts shows on TVB. If this had happened would his career have peaked in the 1960's?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Cognoscente Posted June 25, 2021 Member Share Posted June 25, 2021 Probably not because, unlike Jimmy Wang Yu, Bruce was a proper martial artist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Killer Meteor Posted June 25, 2021 Member Share Posted June 25, 2021 Wang Yu retired comfortably more or less in the late 70s, if I recall. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Cognoscente Posted June 25, 2021 Member Share Posted June 25, 2021 I wonder what his career would have been like had The New Spartans not been cancelled. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Cognoscente Posted July 2, 2021 Member Share Posted July 2, 2021 On 1/30/2015 at 8:45 PM, sdog2006 said: The main enemies were triads who Lee refused to play ball with. Factor in that Lo Wei allegedly had serious connections with them and that is probably the number one murder/ conspiracy theory. With that said, you also have scores of people who he either insulted or beat the shit out of. In Clouse's Bruce Lee biography, Lo Wei said: "Raymond Chow phoned home from the restaurant to talk to Felicia, his wife, and she told him that she had seen Bruce on a television show with Ho Sho Sin and that he had scolded me and said that he would watch me die. A great many friends came to me, angry. But I was not injured and I said let it be. They said he also knocked the master of ceremonies down, but I did not see this for myself. Ten days later, he was dead." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Killer Meteor Posted July 3, 2021 Member Share Posted July 3, 2021 On 6/25/2021 at 7:16 PM, Cognoscente said: Probably not because, unlike Jimmy Wang Yu, Bruce was a proper martial artist. Ironically, Bruce Thomas, author of Bruce Lee: Fighting Spirit, wrote "unlike the imposter Carradine , Jimmy Wang Yu was in fact a good martial artist , as were others , like Jet Lee and David Chiang ." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Coliseum1972 Posted July 9, 2021 Member Share Posted July 9, 2021 Well , Tyson and Lesnar beat the shit out of quite few people , doesn't mean people want them dead though Cocaine vs murder , at this point I believe cocaine killed Lee and like with Elvis it was his own fault 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Bruce Posted July 10, 2021 Member Share Posted July 10, 2021 I have read (some of, anyway) the Bob Baker letters, sad confirmation of things I really didn't want to believe were true, but I do wonder why was there no mention of the presence of cocaine in Bruce's system either from the May, '73 incident, his checkup at UCLA shortly thereafter, the autopsy report, or during the inquest after Bruce's death? No one hesitated to reveal that he had ingested marijuana, why would the same doctors cover up cocaine use if there was evidence of it? I'm not denying (much as I'd like to be able to) that Bruce used cocaine, just questioning it's direct contribution to his demise if no one reported it's presence in his system around or at the time of his death. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Killer Meteor Posted July 10, 2021 Member Share Posted July 10, 2021 Maybe it was icing sugar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member shukocarl1441996347 Posted July 10, 2021 Member Share Posted July 10, 2021 On 7/3/2021 at 1:53 PM, Killer Meteor said: Ironically, Bruce Thomas, author of Bruce Lee: Fighting Spirit, wrote "unlike the imposter Carradine , Jimmy Wang Yu was in fact a good martial artist , as were others , like Jet Lee and David Chiang ." He should have wrote "Jimmy Wang Yu was a good fighter" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member DragonClaws Posted June 29, 2022 Member Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member tomgray2404 Posted June 29, 2022 Member Share Posted June 29, 2022 On 7/10/2021 at 5:11 AM, Bruce said: I have read (some of, anyway) the Bob Baker letters, sad confirmation of things I really didn't want to believe were true, but I do wonder why was there no mention of the presence of cocaine in Bruce's system either from the May, '73 incident, his checkup at UCLA shortly thereafter, the autopsy report, or during the inquest after Bruce's death? No one hesitated to reveal that he had ingested marijuana, why would the same doctors cover up cocaine use if there was evidence of it? I'm not denying (much as I'd like to be able to) that Bruce used cocaine, just questioning it's direct contribution to his demise if no one reported it's presence in his system around or at the time of his death. We need to consider the very real possibility that HK didn't test for cocaine at that time. This was 50 years ago - pathology still in its infancy, especially in the Orient - and cocaine was almost non-existent in the colony. If it was easy to get a hold of, then why the hell was Bruce taking HUGE risks of having it sent overseas? Cannabis, on the other hand, was easy to find because it was being consumed. Also, it's important not to judge Bruce Lee on today's parameters. He was a child of sixties America, and drugs were not frowned upon in the same way they are now. There was actually literature being passed around places in LA encouraging people to try drugs. Can you imagine? I can't because I was born in 75. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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